On 3/20/2015 12:51 PM, John Clark wrote:

    > I was consider as being crackpot *because* I defended the idea that 
machine could be
    intelligent, and could develop competence. 40 years ago.


It sounds like you were wiser 40 years ago than you are today because today you insist on making a nonexistent distinction between competence and intelligence and worse, much worse, make the breathtakingly silly statement that the turing test doesn't even work for intelligence.

This goes beyond normal stupidity and the only hypothesis I can come up with to explain illogic on this massive scale is that you have developed a powerful fear of smart machines that clouds your judgement. If somebody else has a rival theory to explain why Bruno has this blatantly self contradictory belief I'd love to hear it.

He doesn't. He just makes a big distinction between competence = "doing something (narrowly defined) well" and intelligence = "being able to learn anything". He thinks that if you learn one thing well, it inhibits your ability or willingness to learn something different. He sees them as in opposition. I don't really agree with him on the generality of his distinction. Sometimes it works that way, but sometimes learning one thing well may help you learn something else well, e.g. learning English may inhibit your ability or willingness to learn Finnish, but it improves your ability to learn a lot of other things. So his belief is not self-contradictory, it's just an exaggerated distinction.

Brent

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