On 22 Mar 2015, at 10:56 am, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 Kim Jones <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Competence and intelligence are different things > > If something made of protoplasm does it then it's intelligent, but if > something made of silicon and does the exact same thing then it's only > competent;
But under comp all machines are granted a measure of intelligence. That's part of the definition of a machine. Intelligence is how "smart" your smartphone really is. Competence is only a metric of a machine's success in the survival stakes. Your coffee machine must have been at least useful for the four years you have been owning and using it thanks to its competence at making coffee. > I said it before I'll say it again, only somebody terrified of machine > intelligence would make that argument. Who is making that argument? Not me. Not Bruno. Intelligence and competence are both functions of consciousness. They are both necessary for survival. That the one is often inhibited by the other is evidence for something you yourself have long asserted: that consciousness is a "kludge" and not a perfect instrument. The mind is a "3rd person describable" thing. As such it is probably a product of evolution. The knower who is associated with that mind is NOT a 3rd person describable entity. Here we collide once again with your phobia about pronouns so I'm not going to,use any.... > > >> > Intelligence is the ground state of being that allows any living thing >> > access to an experience of time and place. > > Contemplating your navel in other words. > If you want. The whole "universe" "arises" only because someone - probably you - are contemplating their navel. Intelligence is something you have like the length of your dick and the colour of your eyes. You can't do anything much about any of those things except resort to artificiality. Competence you can and will gain in a multitude of ways. If you can tie your shoelaces you are halfway competent. It's all about memory and exposure and learning ability. >> > Competence is getting stuff done. > > So from my point of view the only important thing is if computers are > competent or not, and it doesn't matter if they're intelligent or conscious > because if one of the things they decide to get done is take over the world > then I'm dead meat. Under MWI it has already happened. Such cynicism! The machines might decide to hold you as a sex slave in a lavish dungeon where you get to do BDSM 24/7 with gorgeous female sexbots for the rest of your life. Young men all over the world are queueing up to get into ISIS because that is the paycheck, apparently. > I don't know how thinks look from your point of view because I have no way of > knowing if you or any of my fellow human beings is competent or intelligent, > much less know if they are conscious. Well you seem up for the thrill of the fight often enough, so there must be something there that draws you in. If you cannot be certain that we are neither competent, intelligent or conscious, then by what modality exactly are you able to interact with "us"? Kim > > John K Clark > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
