Liz and Friends of Nearer Geography:
I wrote so many times and nobody reflected so far.
WHY is 2 + 2 = 4 if there is a VALID concept like RANDOM?
Why not  2 + 2 =  -----175,834? or even '1'?  (Without
changing the game).
I deny random, it would eliminate all our technology, science,
physics, etc. etc.
My non-IndoEuropean mother tongue has no 'random, we use the
translation of the German "exbeliebig" (~ from what we like??) - well
I don't "LIKE" it, so I have no random?????

Russell wrote more than a decade ago: 'yes', it seems there
should be a 'relative random' - but nothing further from him.
Nor anybody else.

Randomly yours (no random qgnosticism, however)
John Mikes

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:02 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 23 Apr 2015, at 08:37, meekerdb wrote:
>>
>> 2+2=1 in mod 3 arithmetic.  If you change the game you change what can be
>> proven.  You can't keep the old version and assume its proofs apply to the
>> new game.
>>
>> But you haven't changed the game. 2+2=4, still, in normal arithmetic, and
> unless you can change THAT you are still in the same "game". (All you've
> done is to discover that there's more to the game than you originally
> thought.)
>
> I'm a little disappointed. Although I'm of the opinion that maths isn't
> made up (based on its unreasonable effectiveness in the physical sciences)
> I still expected a slightly more sophisticated level of argument. If that's
> the type of argument that supposedly shows maths is made up, it doesn't
> look like physicists need fear that the mathematical rug they've been
> relying on for the last 300 years will be pulled out from beneath them
> anytime soon.
>
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