On 06 May 2015, at 15:15, Bruce Kellett wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 06 May 2015, at 04:19, Bruce Kellett wrote:
For there to be a difference, the steps have to be performed in
real time, and that notion of "real time" is not available in
Platonia.
Nor in any block universe.
That is just a lazy snipe, Bruno. I have explained how a time
parameter can be realized in a four-dimensional block universe.
Then take the diophantine approximations of the rational solutions of
your equation to build a reasonable model of time in the
computationalist frame.
If my generalized brain is Turing emulable, by the comp hypothesis, +
the reasoning, I need already to take all of them into account,
because the UD, or the sigma_1 complete truth, emulate all of them.
By saying that the God Matter intervenes does not help.
You now have to show how the analogy works in Platonia. Show exactly
where the time parameter lurks in timeless arithmetic.
?
You inherit at the start the most absolute digital clock available in
all dreams when you are enough lucid: the omega order 0, 1, 2, 3, 4,
5, ...
Usually people argued that I already start from time, but then it is
the familiar arithmetic. The point is that by
Computable injection in N can describe digital processes, and the UD
executes them all, the stopping and the non stopping, and many
relative time experiences.
You need to read the bible: the original paper by Gödel, Church,
Turing, Post, Kleene. Edited by Martin Davis. It exists in the cheap
Dover edition.
The notion of computation is based on a notion of digital time, for
which we need only to assume RA or PA to talk or prove propositions on
them.
It is up to you to explain, Bruce, how a substance (and which one,
precisely) could select the consciousness in the computations, as
defined by the mathematicians who discovered the notion eventually
already realized with the diophantine polynomials! The computation are
realized by the arithmetical reality, even just the sigma_1 one. That
is not controversial.
Then you are the one who comes with a God nobody has ever seen, and
tell us, Oh, there is no problem, God select the computation and
endows them with the consciousness---making at the same time an
infinite growing set of dreaming zombies ...
I am the skeptical here, and I give serious reason to be once we
assume CT+YD, and UDA explains why, so tell me what you don't
understand. Well step seven and eight should perhaps recall that
computation is used in the original mathematical sense perhaps.
Bruno
Bruce
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