On Sat, May 9, 2015 Russell Standish <[email protected]> wrote:
> > No free will = deterministic behaviour. > Free will = random behavior. > > Lots of things have been found capable of universal computation, > Bullshit. > > including abstract systems. It is an abstract concept after all. > No it is not! Computation is a physical process just like any other that uses energy, takes time, and creates entropy. > > In fact physical systems are not capable of computation at all, > without an observer to provide symbolic meaning to the activity. And all observers are made of matter that obey the laws of physics. > > I don't want a citation! I don't want ink on paper and I don't want to >> look >> at pixels on a computer screen, I want to find a business partner who can >> add 1+1 without using matter or the laws of physics so we can start a >> computer hardware company and crush the competition because our > > > > You can't have a computer _hardware_ company selling abstract > computers!!! I know, that's why you and Bruno are talking nonsense. > > You are confusing mind and brain. > I said "I still don't get it, even today one computer can run 2 separate programs simultaneously" and you responded with " But it can't simultaneous experience being two different persons". Mind is what a brain does and running programs is what a computer does, so a blind man in a fog bank could see that its you not me who is confusing mind and brain. > >> the consciousness of the intelligent conscious program doesn't change >> in "the here and now" even if it's rerun a trillion times because none of >> the virtual landmarks change, subjectively it would be exactly the same if >> the program was only run once. And the same would be true if you play back >> a recording of the consciousness; such a playback may be of use to a third >> party watching it but it would do nothing to the intelligent conscious >> program itself. > > > > I think we're in agreement here. I think the way physical > supervenience is used in the MGA is confusing for exactly this reason. > I think your use of the word "supervenience" is confusing. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
