Hello from the US. Here is an article by the WSJ, by Bjorn Lomborg, speaking to the climate cult ideology, that pervades acadamia. Like Lomborg, I have to believe in GW, but it ain't climate catastrophe, as the red-greens now choose to label it. Like Lomborg, I believe there are things we can to to mitigate it. In any case, here is a link to Lomborg's article (hoping it works, sans fee).
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-honor-of-being-mugged-by-climate-censors-1431558936 Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -----Original Message----- From: Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Fri, May 15, 2015 07:52 AM Subject: Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism! <div id="AOLMsgPart_2_a34fccef-8e29-4c62-9f14-1acedd46bb00"> <div dir="ltr"> <div class="aolmail_gmail_extra"> <div class="aolmail_gmail_quote"> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 12:21 PM, LizR <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank" href="mailto:lizj...@gmail.com";>lizj...@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote: <blockquote class="aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div dir="ltr"> <div class="aolmail_gmail_extra"> <div class="aolmail_gmail_quote"> <span>On 15 May 2015 at 21:38, Telmo Menezes <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank" href="mailto:te...@telmomenezes.com";>te...@telmomenezes.com</a>></span> wrote: <blockquote class="aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div dir="ltr"> <div class="aolmail_gmail_extra"> <div class="aolmail_gmail_quote"> <span>On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:07 AM, LizR <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank" href="mailto:lizj...@gmail.com";>lizj...@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote: <blockquote class="aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div dir="ltr"> <div class="aolmail_gmail_extra"> <div class="aolmail_gmail_quote"> <span>On 13 May 2015 at 21:30, Telmo Menezes <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank" href="mailto:te...@telmomenezes.com";>te...@telmomenezes.com</a>></span> wrote: <blockquote class="aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div dir="ltr"> <div class="aolmail_gmail_extra"> <div class="aolmail_gmail_quote"> <span> <blockquote class="aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div> <span> </span> Clouds, especially high clouds have some effect. They reflect visible bands back to space and they also absorb and reemit IR. Low clouds tend to increase heat load because they reflect in the day, but they insulate day and night. It's not magic, it's just calculation. </blockquote> </span> Of course, I am not suggesting it's anything else. My question is about complex interactions between these several phenomena. Does a change in the composition of the atmosphere affect cloud formation? In what ways? Does temperature? <span> </span> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote></span> Is the idea that we shouldn't do anything because we haven't got a perfect model of the atmosphere? </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </span> Is it unreasonable to ask for evidence and serious risk analysis before messing with the energy supply chain that keeps 7 billion people alive? </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </span> Of course it isn't. Such risk analysis has been done, and it appears around 97% of the most competent people available in the field think the risks caused by the rising CO2 levels are more dangerous than the risks of doing nothing about them. </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> Ok, I wouldn't be surprised if you are right. I only claim ignorance, and ask questions when something looks fishy. I also care about science more than anything else, so arguments around what "97% of the most competent people" think mean nothing to me. For me, that is politician speak. Consensus are easy to manufacture, even in science. I care about correct predictions and a good understanding of the mechanisms. What makes these people so competent? Have they created models that led to correct predictions? This is all just intellectual curiosity anyway. My opinion on the matter has no importance whatsoever. 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