It is the perfect war for eternal profit (profit for the MIC and the banks that
are behind it, that is)... a war against a tactic is guaranteed to never be
"won", which is the perfect outcome for the guarantee of a continuous stream of
revenue for the MIC.
It is excellent business -- for that business at least -- for the rest of us it
sucks!
From: thermo <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: ISIS The Start of World War III?
Is the War Against Terrorism World War IV ?
2015-07-14 12:51 GMT-03:00 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
<[email protected]>:
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 8:56 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: ISIS The Start of World War III? My issue is that yes, at this
point ISIS seem to present no domestic danger, however leaders of the word have
continuously underestimated their successes. Italy may be their next target, or
Spain in a Re-Conquista of their own. Moreover, this ideology is not in its
actions, alone in the Islamic world. But they are, for propaganda purposes, the
most honest, and clear, and yes, successful. A terrorist act here and there in
Italy, Spain or France (or ANYWHERE) – and that is all ISIS is capable of, even
at a stretch – does not cause the targeted society to crumble in abject
submission. You mention re-concquista – I ask you where is this re-conquista?,
outside of the talk shows it is mentioned on.
So, what to do? Nobody (astonishingly) is asking my advice on this, or any
other matter, which is shocking to me. Having said this, I am supposing that
bad Ju-Ju is on the way, because of western weaknesses (my perception) and
prepare. It may not be ISIS that does the dirty dead, whatever "deed" that is,
but ISIS, like an aggressive, secondary disease, will take advantage of a
weakened immune system. You seem to have a lot of interest in energy, of
course, so if I were you, I'd focus on saving your own behind in the midst of
an "unplanned" power outage, that PGE, or Seattle Power and Light, will not
resolve for weeks, for this seems to be a juicy target, I'd wager. I am an
apartment dweller so following this advice myself (however hypocritical) is
unwise. A single solar flare of the intensity of the super flare that was
recorded in the late 1800s would set up an induced current that would short out
entire grid, blowing transformers. This is something that actually can happen
(in fact it HAS happened less than 150 years ago) and would have far more
disastrous consequences for our society. Are we doing anything to protect
ourselves from this very real threat? Not much, as far as I can see; hardening
the grid will cost many billions of dollars, and unless mandated this money
will not be spent. So we continue on exposed to this – actual real threat (as
opposed to the bogey man threats you seem to love to focus on). This is just a
single example of our societal myopia.
The world will follow the Stronger Horse, so if ISIS goes from strength to
strength, But ISIS is not going from strength to strength – Syrian/Hezbollah
forces are rolling it back from the west; Kurdish forces (+Iranian supported
Iraqi forces) are enjoying some success in the east (it is mixed, because the
Iraqi army is a shambles). ISIS is not strong. Don’t confuse brutality with
strength; Iran can take care of ISIS (and will, defeating the Saudi attempt
(for what is ISIS?) at interjecting itself into the arc of conflict now
centered in Syria. the Europeans will cut a deal with them, once ISIS gains
more territory, gets more cash, recruits more cash, whatever it takes. If not
ISIS than Al Qaeda, if not Al Qaeda, then Iranian Mullahs Iran has never
supported messianic global terrorist movements; Hezbollah for example is a very
kind of organization than say AL Qaida or ISIS (which it is on the front line
of fighting) (check today's news! If not Iran, maybe Pakistan, if not
Pakistan, North Korea, if not North Korea, then a nice war in the Pacific with
China, if not China, then Putin. Maybe all of them at once, once we lose a city
or three, afterwards. The majority of of our species despises the weak, and I
accept this, but do not condone this. Just thinking of what anthropologists
have demonstrated. I highly suggest you take a vacation from war fever it is
unhealthy. China and the US are not about to get into any war – it would be far
to costly for both sides and both sides know this! All the posturing in the
South China Sea may make for large headlines, but it will not trigger an actual
large scale war. Now the Ukraine is another story – though this is mostly a
nightmare for the Ukrainians themselves.
If the US has all this power, we surely have applied it wrong, or the political
will to use it against bad actors. I wonder if you fully grasp just how much
power even a single US aircraft carrier group can project. I am speaking of
real military power – not terrorist rag tag actions of militarily insignificant
actors such as ISIS. Terrorism is the weapon of the weak; it is no sign of
strength! The extinction that you refer to could be alleviated with better
energy systems, and better housing systems. Could be perhaps, but it isn’t
being! The richer people are, the lighter the environmental footprint. That is
BS! The US for example has a far higher per capita footprint than India or
China or Africa or South America. Do realize, that the elites have do stomach
to do this either yet-have you noticed? There are great energy ideas but for
some magical reason they don't get traction. It reflects the same irresolution
on dealing with international totalitarianism. No will, no guts, The world is
run to produce short term profits for central global money banks; as long as
this remains the driver; world affairs will continue on as they have, bouncing
from regional war to regional war (war is good business, for the death
merchants and the death bankers) -----Original Message-----
From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]>
To: everything-list <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, Jul 12, 2015 5:41 pm
Subject: RE: ISIS The Start of World War III?No… not underestimating the
vindictiveness of ISIS (and their ilk) at all; nor am I disputing that ISIS are
vindictive vicious monsters, actually. This particular flourishing of assembled
psychotic insane assholes most certainly do suffer an extreme delusional
messianic medieval minded hatred of all others and are vindictive in the
extreme. I harbor no doubts that they would slit my throat – in their psychosis
claiming it was for Allah -- if they could.I however do question their long
term viability as an organization and movement – even within the regional
context within which they operate. For example, even Al Qaeda itself is
becoming increasingly critical of ISIS and its barbaric brutality! When, even
the preeminent jihadi global movement is finding their acts to be horrific and
unjustifiable you got to question their long term viability as a movement! I
also question their strategic/tactical/logistical reach and doubt that they can
do much more than potentially causing a few sporadic terrorist attacks here and
there in the Western world and elsewhere (Africa, Asia for example). A
terrorist attack, even one of the hyper scale of 911 (which is historically
very rare), horrific as it may be (and I witnessed 911 up close and personal –
was in Princeton NJ at the time and the aftermath was something I will never
forget!), but yet still poses no existential strategic challenge for our
nation. Our nation will not crumble or be destroyed as an effective fighting
force because of something of this nature. Actually the opposite result would
ensue! The USA has continental scale strategic depth, global military,
political, cultural and economic reach. A ragtag upstart psychopath jihadist
brand name – e.g. ISIS – poses no actual existential threat to the US. And that
IS my point!My corollary to this is that our planet is currently facing real
actual existential threats, which we can do something about – both in terms of
mitigating our impact and restoring the health of this planets living systems.
Few people like to consider that we are living at the kickoff of one of our
planets greatest extinction events – ever in its geologic history; an
extinction event that promises to be on par with the one that killed most of
the non-avian dinosaurs. This extinction event is triggering the beginning of a
new epoch for this planet – like all the great extinction events that have
preceded it. Each extinction event gives rise to a new era; our particular
extinction event is being given the name Anthropocene – it is in our honor. For
we, our species and the actions of our species, we are the driving causal
factor that is at the base of this wave of planetary dying, which is going on
right now.I find this great wave of planetary dying; of species extinction
(which is occurring at a far higher rate than the historical average over the
past say ten million years)… I personally am far more troubled and concerned by
this, than I am by a regional group of medieval psychopaths in some far away
land.For me it is the principal of correctly stack ranking actual real threats
to our future in an ordering that actually makes sense – in a qualitative, real
world, fact based manner. What are the real threats to our future? To
humanity’s potential to achieve a transformational leap into becoming a
multi-planetary, solar system spanning resource based, micro-gravity space (La
Grange point) based industrial society!If you want to stop ISIS, shine a bright
light on Turkey, Saudi Arabia/Kuwait/Gulf States, Israel and other regional
actors who are behind ISIS. Without these other actors (not so) covert support
ISIS would crumble.-Chris From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 11:51 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: ISIS The Start of World War III? All well and good, but I am
surmising that you underestimate the vindictiveness from others, who see life
differently than yourself. For instance, the European epoch of imperialism,
which we all know about, is shameful look backwards for the Europeans. For the
Islamic expansions of the 7th century, the move into the Indian subcontinent,
the push into southeast asia, are considered a glorious time for the Uma. It is
considered a thing of great pride. The re-establishment of the Caliphate, would
get the community back into the grace of Allah, and its return would be a sign
from God that He is smiling down, and is pleased by His people.
You and I don't agree with this point of view, but I respect that this view is
their "truth." I accept it as I must accept a natural calamity like an
earthquake of a plague. If you are asking whether it will be ISIS puling the
trigger on the Qufar? It might happen that way, and they do sell oil, so they
have finance. They also have audacity, which sometimes wins the day. But I am
not planning US foreign policy or am a defense department analyst. I do know
that if one despises somebody intensely, enough, they will go for the jugular.
There are different ways to defend the country. One would be applied green
energy systems, at first for emergencies like power outages, another, would be
to yes, do the shale thing, but also consider methane powered vehicles, and yes
biogas powered vehicles and homes. This could be a national program and worth
paying for, and thus, better insulate the US, or Australia, Japan, etc, from
let us say, the closure of the straight of Hormuz.
Remember, the question was originally posed about the strength of ISIS, and I
focused on the weakness of the current world leaders, and so far, their
weakness has empowered ISIS, and other actors in the world. -----Original
Message-----
From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]>
To: everything-list <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, Jul 12, 2015 1:57 pm
Subject: RE: ISIS The Start of World War III?No I am objecting to the making of
ISIS into the central existential problem that must define our times; they are
a largely regional phenomenon (with a certain internet reach resulting from
their use of graphic brutality). The planet earth has far more serious
existential problems than ISIS.ISIS is a side freak show – a freak show of
extreme brutality for sure, but a freak show never the less. If Saudi/Kuwaiti
funding was shut off the monster would quickly dry up and wither away. ISIS is
Iraq’s problem, it is Syria’s problem, it is Iran’s or the Kurd’s problem
perhaps, but it is not and never will amount to an existential military threat
against the West.I do not see any good reason why our country should become
even more involved in this mess than it already is – having largely been
responsible for the creation of the conditions which led to the evolution of
these psychopath monsters in the first place. ISIS (nor anything like it) did
not exist under the Baathist regime of Saddam Hussein lest we forget; the
Baathist regime was an implacable enemy of Islamic fundamentalism; it was a
Stalinist regime in fact (a very different animal). The US (in its infinite
wisdom) utterly destroyed the Baathist regime in a series of bloody expensive
wars and a ten year long occupation of Iraq; ISIS is the predictable blowback
of Abu Ghraib and the US occupation of Iraq during the first decade of this
millennium. Now, I am not extolling the Baathist regime as a paradigm of
humanism (though woman and Christians, to cite some examples, had far more
rights and opportunity under Saddam Hussein’s Iraq than they do in the Iraqi
“freedom” the US so kindly brought to their land).The US should focus more on
taking care of our own country and let other people sort out their own
destinies. Let Iran handle ISIS (and to a degree ISIS is a proxy war between
the Gulf Arab regimes and the Iranians); why should we bloody our hands in this
mess?ISIS is no existential threat to the US and if we stood out of the way (or
as we are to some extent to continue to provide discreet logistical and air
support) Iranian and Kurdish backed forces from one side and Syrian/Hezbollah
forces from the other side will keep ISIS very well contained.Those who seek to
learn about the rise of ISIS need to understand the roles played by these
various regional actors prominently including: Turkey, Israel, Saudi
Arabia/Kuwait/Gulf states in fomenting ISIS as a tool to destroy the Baathist
Syrian regime – and seen in the larger context of an arc of struggle between
Saudi, Turkish and Iranian influence broken down largely along sectarian
lines.-Chris From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 8:53 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: ISIS The Start of World War III? I don't think this is
Manicheanism, You are objecting to fact that ISIS does bad things, or that
people oppose the bad things that ISIS does? The leadership of the US
especially, view passivity on the US part, as an unalloyed virtue. On the other
hand, with the president's involvement wit Iran (read the news tomorrow) may
have decided to adopt a "let em kill each other," policy in which Sunni's and
Shia, massacre each other. Perhaps with the thought that with enough war and
massacre's maybe a calm will then take place? -----Original Message-----
From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]>
To: everything-list <[email protected]>
Sent: Sat, Jul 11, 2015 9:48 pm
Subject: RE: ISIS The Start of World War III?Who elected you dispenser of
prizes, ignobal or otherwise…. net nanny? As you make clear by your own
subsequent words I can see you must be a fellow sufferer of the Manichean
delusion, speaking in those exaggerated apocalyptic tongues you types
favor.Thanks, but no thanks… I don’t need, desire or see the fruit in your
peculiar kind of religion; mind set; world view… whatever you wish to call it.
It is not based on a rational analysis of actual geopolitical strength, but
rather appeals to irrational Manichean idiocy and lurid anecdotal tales told
over and over again.This world of ours is enough of a tinder box already
without the added idiocy of war mongering nutters – like ISIS as well --
wanting to ignite another crusade/jihad.I hope this makes my opinion even
clearer to you. Just in case, in typical Manichean fashion you use my complete
rejection of your hyperbolic world view, as a rhetorical hammer to try to shape
me into some kind of sympathizer or something vaguely treasonous sounding – as
your fellow crusader spudboy has in fact insinuated in my case on numerous
previous occasions – let me – a priori – make it clear that my current complete
rejection of your insane fallacy does not imply any kind of support or
tolerance of the medieval minded brutality of the murderous lunatics of ISIS.
Just so we are clear on this, and because this is a usual rhetorical tactic
that war junkies commonly use against those who publicly oppose their agenda.
Now speaking directly to your facile and childish disparaging of the term
“psychological mind ghosts”. If you actually knew the mind – instead of merely
pontificating about it, which you seem to do a lot of -- you would know that
there is quite a bit of evidence that our minds are inhabited by numerous
zombie neural processes, of which we remain consciously unaware; these are our
mind ghosts; they are ghosts in our minds. We – the conscious self-aware part
of ourselves at least -- are to a large degree informed and formed by these
dynamically evolving entities comprised of synchronized neural firing networks.
They can take dynamic movies of these neural firing networks evolving as
thoughts form and perception is perceived! If we did not have any ghosts in our
minds; would we have any minds at all?Those who think their self-aware minds
are comprised by the narrative voice in their heads alone, are suggestive of
those who, for so long believed the celestial bodies revolved around the earth.
If, in fact, you accept that by far most of who you are actually occurs outside
of the boundaries of your own self-aware narrative (and narrator); then why on
earth would you feel that “psychological mind ghosts” was just an insult,
worthy of your net nanny interventionist response, awarding me the most Ignobal
prize – so kind of you to do that really.More people die of bee stings… bathtub
falls… and certainly far more people die and become horribly wounded in traffic
accidents than people dying by this kind of terrorism; yet you seem to want to
raise it up on the altar of some bloody crusade around which we must all align
ourselves marching lemming like over the cliffs of oblivion. Excuse me, but I
am going to pass on that world view, and I will continue to ridicule it as
well; it is a world view most richly deserving of ridicule.Let us laugh
together… for it is patently ridiculous that ISIS poses an existential threat
to the USA, or even to your own country Australia. Unless you are living in
Syria or Iraq, or somewhere that is too close to the small region where ISIS
has the logistical ability to pose a threat then it is not a threat and to
insist that it must be our most existential cause around which we must all
rally… well that just reeks of fascism to me.Yours truly,-Chris From:
[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Kim Jones
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 5:40 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: ISIS The Start of World War III? On 12 Jul 2015, at 3:09 am,
'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]>
wrote:
You suffer from raving psychological mind ghosts; carefully nurtured paranoid
Manichean delusions brought upon by the ingestion of too much war propaganda.
"Psychological mind ghosts" - Lol. I think with that you probably score the
Ignobel Prize for adjectival abuse. SB's thinking on this is entirely rational
and highly probable from where I am. Western leaders ARE all as weak as piss.
They are all screaming for someone to come along and rip their bloody heads off
with a blunt bread knife, yes. Icke is something of a nutter, but he at least
has the balls to face the music that no one else does. Kim From:
[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 8:36 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: ISIS The Start of World War III? Icke is an interesting, but
paranoid character. If ISIS, or any element from the Islamic World causes a 4th
world war (The Cold War was actually WW3), then it is not any member of the
Uma's fault, but instead the weakness, the cowardice, the irresolution, of 'so
called' Western leaders. Perfection with one's fellows humans is fraught with
disappointment, because people will always disappoint. But, the leadership of
the so-called West, is so bad that it invites attack from ISIS or anyone
else.As Bin Laden said, "People like the stronger horse." Leaders here are so
weak, that if ISIS attacked, they might win. Who now knows? -----Original
Message-----
From: Samiya Illias <[email protected]>
To: everything-list <[email protected]>
Sent: Sat, Jul 11, 2015 1:36 am
Subject: Fwd: ISIS The Start of World War III?Begin forwarded message:
ISIS The Start of World War III?
David Icke interview Video link:
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?266299-ISIS-The-Start-of-World-War-III
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