On 07 Aug 2015, at 05:54, Samiya Illias wrote:
Bruno,
I'm reading R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz. In the Introduction to A Study
of Numbers, they quote his last words. It reminds me of your salvia
beings. Thought the attached might be of interest to you.
Regards,
Samiya
Nice quote Samya.
I love "He [Schwaller I guess] applied himself relentlessly to the
apparently impossible task of using reason to surmount reason."
This is what Gödel illustrates: the use of reason to study the limit
of reason, for example reason cannot produce a mean to decide if a
diophantine (polynomial in integers) equation has or not some solution.
Mathematicians have shown the non solubility of many problems,
accepting (as most does) Church's thesis or Church's definition of
computable/algorithm.
But Gödel already saw that the machine or formal systems (which really
means systems described by they local forms) can prove their own
incompleteness theorem, so that machine reasoning about themselves can
get the fact that if they are consistent, then they can't justify it
rationally. Consistency is equivalent with the existence of a reality
which satisfies my beliefs (in the sense that they render my beliefs
true). So, machine looking inward (reasoning on themselves, but also
trying to figure out their own semantic/reality can prove, infer and
intuit (correctly or not) that "there is a reality", and can justify
that if there is a reality then we cannot justify rationally the
"existence" of that reality.
It is also the intuition of the Platonist and Neoplatonist: we can use
reason to develop confidence in what extends necessarility reason,
"The Reality", which might be only the semantic of oneself, the
reality which satisfies my beliefs, in the sense of the logiciens,
where a reality (called Model) is what makes a belief true of false
(to stay in classical logic).
The machines can already do the impossible task: use reason to
surmount reason.
All self-referentially correct machine get mystical, ... for good
reason.
The "authorties" or simply those who want to control you cannot accept
the mysticals as this one will take its order from something they
cannot control. The self-referentically correct machine is Groucho-
Marxiste, she refutes all categorzation made by others.
About the entity that Schwaller describes, I don't know what relation
you see with salvia.
With any entheogen (psychotrope) it is the mental being which create
the fears and the resistance. Dying, sleep and altered consciousness
exploration requires the ability to "let it go". To accept losing
control. That mental being is the little ego, but on earth, he *has*
good reason to "create fear", if you agree that it is better to eat
than being eaten. But the kind of technic to get "religious" state
always involved a sort of acceotance of dying and let reason expands
on the meaning of the possible "hallucination". Here salvia is the
most cartesian teacher i could have dreamed of, as it offers the
"dream argument on a plate".
I know that not all person are prepared, and for those who are
concerned with the mundane life, cannabis is better as it open the
appetite for life, and can ease the pain.
Salvia is for the theologian, i.e. those interested in the after life,
the prelife, the parallel lives, or who haved lived situation to
search a meaning of life.
Note that computationalism makes clear also the existence of the
theological trap: to take for granted a statement belonging in G*
minus G, that is a truth which cannot be justified. It maks a part of
theology secret, or derivable partially by the "dangerous" meta-
assumption of self-correctness: this comp explains that it is your
free choice, at your risk and peril. You have local means for harm
reduction.
Still about salvia, I explained yesterday to some friend asking about
COMP, that a rough description of logical entailment would be
NUMBER = > CONSCIOUSNESS-FLUX => PHYSICAL REALITY => HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS
But then I dared to redescribe this by:
NUMBER = > DIVINE CONSCIOUSNESS => PHYSICAL REALITY => HUMAN
CONSCIOUSNESS
Which makes sense with the Plotinian morphism. Then the salvia
experience is like remembering the divine consciousness, which is the
state of the "virgin" Löbian machine, the one described by the
principal Plotinian hypostases. It produces this by a strong
dissociation: like going not just out of the body, but out of the
physical reality. (what mathematicians do already, somehow).
Of course, I might be biased, so I am the last one to ask how to
interpret the salvia experience. The "lady salvia" is a fierce entity
only for those who create their daemons. It is a fierce entity for
what Schwaller called the "mental being" (the "little ego" naive
enough to take a psycho-trope ... and resist).
You can't sleep well if you are not sure the gas trigger is in the
right position.
Bruno
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