> > and yes they were totalitarian and many atheists claim not to be. They > killed to support atheism, which is indisputable, > > > It's not only disputable, it's unevidenced. They didn't care what people > believed about the supernatural, just so they didn't oppose the regime. >
Brent, I am not expert in these matters, but as everyone I heard frequent allusions to the famous Marxist motto: "religion is the opium of the people". Wikipedia seems to disagree with you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union "Soviet policy, based on the ideology <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology> of Marxism–Leninism <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism%E2%80%93Leninism>, made atheism <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism> the official doctrine of the Soviet Union. Marxism-Leninism has consistently advocated the control, suppression, and the elimination of religious beliefs <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion>.[1] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union#cite_note-country-data.com-1> " Is this wrong? Can you point us to any credible historical sources that contradict these claims? > > and out of loyalty to Mao, Stalin, and your pal Bamers, Oops! Did I say > that? > > > You mean President Obama, the guy passed universal health insurance > Perhaps a step in the right direction. I agree that universal access to health care should be a low bar requirement for civilized countries in 2015. I do have the impression that what he did was to make the slightly less poor pay for the health care of the poor, while the interests of the super-rich are left untouched. Why is medical care one order of magnitude more expensive in the US than in most other advanced economies? That's the root of the problem! Let's also not forget that Obama signed-off on the greatest transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich in the history of humanity, through the bailouts of 2007-09. > and ended U.S. occupation of Iraq > Bush's decision to invade Iraq was both absurd and criminal. Obama's decision to abandon the Iraqi people to their own fate after the US destabilized such a delicate region is perhaps also absurd and criminal. Now they have ISIS and other lunatics. > and has avoided getting us into a war in Egypt, Yemen, Libya, Syria, > I must be really confused, but what I seam to remember is that he wanted to go to war in Syria but was eventually dissuaded by massive popular opposition to that idea. > Ukraine > Nobody in the US would possibly consider going to war in Ukraine. That would mean a direct confrontation with Russia, which is out of the question. Instead there was an indirect confrontation. The western powers wanted Ukraine to join the EU and possibly NATO, and they covertly funded anti-russian groups in Ukraine. Putin won that conflict and ended up expanding to Crimea. Putin is a murderous psychopath, but he his also much smarter than this current generation of mediocre western leaders. > and all those other places you'd like send your fellow citizens to attack? > I am on your side in being against war (unless for real defensive purposes -- no preemptive strike bullshit). This is why I don't understand why you approve of Obama. He is exactly like the others: he authorizes drone strikes that cause horrible collateral damage to civilians. He's an accomplice to two horrible treasons on his own people: total surveillance and the NDAA. He has been the most aggressive President so far in going after whistle blowers, and he is an accomplice to the torture of Bradley/Chelsea Manning as well as countless Guantanamo prisoners. If you are a pacifist and a liberal you should applaud Ed Snowden, not Barack Obama. George W. Bush, Barack Obama and all of the current candidates for the next presidential election, from both parties, are all part of the sickness. They are all clones of the same robotic, opportunistic douchebag politician, except for Trump, who is an independent douchebag. Telmo. > > > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
