On 11 Aug 2015, at 02:09, Kim Jones wrote:
OK - perhaps this post is not entirely serious. I don't actually know.
There appears to be no reliable test of idiocy. Even people who
invite others to participate in games of running along a lawn while
a drone fires rockets at them may not actually qualify, ultimately,
as idiots.
It may be that the true definition of an idiot (in the theological,
not medical sense) is one who is incorrigible in their beliefs.
If you never change your mind, why have one?
The hallmark of a true idiot is one who never admits they are wrong
about something even in the face of massive counterfactual evidence
and the weight of opinion thrown against them.
So what, I hear you say. Idiots clearly exist.
Idiot, in a general sense, are those who believe they are not idiot,
or not intelligent and assert it.
They might be unable to say "I was wrong" because they might believe
that intelligent being cannot be wrong, which is of course an idiot
thing to say.
Basically, idiocy is the adult state. Only kids are intelligent, and
it is only recent that evolution "invests" in long childhood period?
Trouble is, we need this test as I said above. You don't want idiots
in government you don't want idiots as scientists and you certainly
don't want idiots running your local church.
On the basis of this argument you would, for example, still want to
keep drugs illegal - for idiots. Anyone who could reliably prove
they were not an idiot could still use drugs. Idiots get orange
juice and huge injections of vitamins. Or something.
But idiocy is a more a mind attitude. It can change in a second, but
some people needs shock.
Then there is the confusion between intelligence and competence.
Competence can make a person idiot has he get the state of mind "I am
superior as I am more competent than my fellow", which is an idiocy
(in the sense above). Competence can make intelligence sleepy.
People can become idiot just because their parents treats them as if
they were idiot, or intelligent. idiocy, fundamentally, is more an
insult, for what is fundamentally a lack of trust (in God, in
oneself, ...).
The test would therefore be to administer a standard dose of Salvia
Divinorum after which the person would be interviewed.
I am not sure that would be ethical.
Salvia is an incognito suicide. Making someone taking salvia without
his consent might be considered as a murder. We don't come back from
salvia. Someone else comes back, and reappropiate your memories, and
idiosyncracies. Only the universal person survives, so you don't die
if you identify yourself to the universal person, but then you known
since eternity and beyond that you are immortal.
The box marked 'idiot' would be ticked in the case where the subject
maintained with the same or increased fervour, the beliefs they held
prior to taking the test. Those who come through the experience with
changed or clearly modified beliefs would be classed as normal.
Hmm... Somtimes people will not change their mind because they already
knew.
With salvia, you will no test if someone is idiot or not, you will
kill the person, and the "higher self" will take its place. No change
of mind can be said to occur, as there has been a change of person
("little ego"), only the universal person remains invariant.
(I know you are joking, and thinking about how helping John Clark),
but I am not sure I wish a "salvia experience" to him, and we can
expect problem if he really believed what he says, which actually I am
not sure at all, but who knows.
Obviously the people conducting the interview would be 'normal'.
Any takers?
John Clark seems open to the falsity of physicalism, so he might not
be too much shocked by "the dream argument with a vengeance" brought
by the salvia experience. That might even help him to abandon his
childish harassment activity. But then I really don't know. I have
become good at predicting if people will do a good or bad trip, but
most are a bit shocked by the experience, even the good trippers, who
enjoy it, (but never do it again, though). Salvia has helped me to
realize that I was underestimating the lack of spiritual lucidity of
today. People who have never doubted by themselves the nature of
reality, and who really take "matter" for granted, can get a big shock
with salvia. But then they are shocked by the consequence of
computationalism, Quantum mechanics, etc. For some people, salvia just
create a new fear: it annihilates the fear of death, but then; as
"there" does not look like anything everwritten, they get the fear of
the afterlife and realize than the idea death is an end was, after
all, oure wishful thinking. Things are far more subtle when we undergo
the salvia "hallucination". It is common with mystical experience: it
eliminates the fear of death, but it can take much more spiritual
digging to get rid of the fear of life and afterlife. That is why in
Chan and Zen people consider enlightenment easy, compared to the real
last step on the path: coming back to life, returning in the village,
and doing one's job.
Bruno
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