I agree with you there…. Idiocy is the quintessential equal opportunity provider – (in a nod to your politically fixated mindset) it thrives exuberant, on both the right and the left. Idiocy is in full reign amongst the elite in their gilded enclaves and in the grimy dirty dangerous graffiti hallways of the project slum.
But it does not stop there, nor does it begin from there. Idiocy emerges from within, far, far closer to home.. to the self, the inner voice that asks the question… we are each of us within this home of homes. It is within these bounds that idiocy is hardest to perceive and harder to deal with. Case in point many very intelligent people are (in some dimension) veritable idiots within. A most natural outcome, of our brain/mind sensorial being… for to see within…. Where are the eyes to see within? We are oriented to see without; seeing within is largely an accidental exceptional occurrence and is not something that is easy for most of us to do. As a consequence we are usually most blind within our own selves. Intelligence is no defense against inner idiocy either, for idiocy is adept at burying itself beneath layers upon layers of justification heaped over bullshit. Idiocy tends to also lock in, becoming habitual behavior, existing in the (largely) unseen regions of mind… the crackling vastly parallel network… balanced on the edge of chaos.. this very noisy, reifying inner-verse of the mind, auto-catalyzed self-emergent being… emerging into our consciousness as an inner dialogue of the mind. Idiocy is a slippery eel; it is foolish to underestimate its ability to find a way in to the unseen within… it is difficult to grab hold of. -Chris From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 6:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Idiot Test I simply feel it is hard to identify idiocy when it hits closer to home. In fact, as I stated, holding a certain position or opinion may not, in fact be idiotic at all. I sometimes feel, some days, that if idiocy were nirvana, I would be achieving my zen moment with it. On this forum, discussion-wise, yeah, we name call. I shrug this off as human nature, and am more interested in seeing if these conversations yield anything dramatically, interesting for me? -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2015 5:17 pm Subject: Re: Idiot Test _____ From: spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 12:39 PM Subject: Re: Idiot Test Chris, when you can think of politicians and actors of your political preference, who behave "idiotically:" then you'd really be making a succinct point. The rationale being, "if you agree with my position, thus, you are wonderful, but if you disagree, you are a moron." On this mailing list however, it ain't politics that drive the passion, but disagreeing with an equation, a precis,' a hypothesis. It's like on the show Big Bang, where blood in nearly, drawn, over whether String or Loop Quantum Gravity have the best explanation for reality, when as all right thinking people know, it's all explained by Chaotic Inflation. Easy peasy. My contention is that idiocy is innate within us all and that to claim that one is immune to this mind trap is itself the height of idiocy. He/she who knows that only others can be idiots -- because of "whatever" -- is even more of an idiot than those who, while they may still be idiots (at times) are aware of this latent potential for idiocy extant within themselves. -Chris -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2015 1:42 pm Subject: Re: Idiot Test I am curious.... you seem to speak of "idiots" exclusively in terms of "them" of some "other" group of individuals. Do you consider yourself to be potentially an "idiot" or have you managed to achieve existential certainty that idiocy is something that only ever applies to other people? If you have achieved this certainty -- e.g. that in no possible way could you ever be an idiot; that is an amazing feat.... or could it be incontrovertible proof of your own idiocy? Any definition of idiocy that does't -- at least potentially -- include the "self" within the scope of its embrace is idotic - -IMO! P.S. -- I am suspecting that if you respond at all, you'll probably roast me with scorn, for having had the temerity to suggest that idiocy is something we are all capable of achieving; and that no one is immune from idiotic mind modes. -chris > On 14 Aug 2015, at 8:21 am, chris peck < [email protected]> wrote: > > So, to cut to the chase, when a thread appears claiming the benefit of a > psychedelic is to work out who the idiots are, when it is suggested that the > substance be used in such a miserly way, I can't help but feel the people > suggesting that are the ones who have missed the message.... I think Strassman was right. You need a certain substance in your system to be even able to conceive of thinking without some limiting effect of consensus. The human mind has a 'native' behaviour and we might refer to this as 'baseline consciousness'. It is merely a starting point in the enterprise of exploring the terrain of consciousness. The Idiot Test is a cynical exercise, you seemed to have missed that. It's a cartoon in words designed to focus on something sinister; either a lie or a form of stupidity. A thought bubble as we say nowadays. Just one grade better than a silly poster on Facebook. The term 'idiot' is a pejorative, so we do need another word to cover the concept "the lack of imagination to envisage alternatives to the one currently held under any scenario" which to my mind at least, does sound rather mentally deficient. But I learnt a lot from Bruno's breakdown of it. Idiocy and Intelligence are not polar opposites. They walk hand in hand. Anyway - at a certain point in the presumably not too distant future, somebody WILL decide who all the idiots are - using whatever rationale - and they will all be eliminated. Probably by an AI who worked it out all by itself. So 2. Idiots usually end up designing technology that eventually destroys them and everyone else. 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