On 12 Aug 2015, at 01:06, Kim Jones wrote:
On 11 Aug 2015, at 10:26 pm, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
No doubt that it would be interesting to look at. Salvia has been
called a cure of ... atheism (the non agnostic one 'course). Not
that it makes you believe in anything new, it just shows reasons to
doubt more, and to recognize we are more ignorant that we would
have been able to conceive before.
Bruno
Well, that’s it, surely. The Idiot Test administered in this way has
as a basic assumption that only what might be called The True Public
Idiot is by nature incapable of changing or modifying his stated
beliefs. A hallmark of idiocy is absolute certainty. In this light,
Richard Dawkins for example, qualifies pretty much as a TPI.
Absolute public certainties is madness.
The other thing about this possible theological definition of
‘idiocy’ is: you will never meet an idiot who thinks the test was
run fairly. This person has to accept that there is now an
institution-backed sanction against them due to someone ticking a
box marked ‘idiot’ next to their name. Still, they can justify
themselves by saying how ‘in the past’ they changed their mind over
certain matters when people whose opinions they could respect
convinced them otherwise. You might like to check this assertion by
interviewing his mother or sister instead.
Idiocy is only an unfortunate self-destructive type of mentality. Most
idiot are actually just wounded people, but in this case, knowing that
thus not necessarily help.
(Keep in mind that I distinguish "intelligent" from "competent", and
thus "idiot" from "incompetent". Competence is domain dependent and
can be evaluated by test or exams. Idiocy and Intelligence does not
admit definition, and we can agree, or not, on some axiomatics.
And I like to interpret Dt, that is ~Bf, by "intelligent" and Bf by
idiot. You can read Bf by "I assert stupidities"
Gödel's second theorem becomes: If I don't assert stupidities then I
don't assert that I don't assert stupidities. Intelligence is the
mother of all protagorean virtues, which cannot be tought by words but
only with example, and typically when you assert them about yourself
you kill them, and when you assert the negation, you aggravate your
case.
Modesty, or humity of scientific-mindness are important virtue which
are not protogorean, although they can have protagorean interpretation.
You will never, therefore, catch a certified public idiot in the act
of changing his beliefs.
I am not sure that there exists something or someone like a certified
public idiot.
This is because he has never changed his beliefs in the past and
will never in the future - not because you are unlucky in the matter
of catching him at it. The ticking of the box marked ‘idiot’ is a
truly serious business. True (ie incorrigible) Public Idiots are
actually quite rare.
I don't believe that exist, but emotions can make people behaving like
idiot and indeed it typically last. It is the problem of the lies. The
longer time a person lie, the harder it is to admit it, and the graver
the consequence *can* be.
Even David Icke had to kind of admit that he probably wasn’t the
reincarnation of JC…proving therefore that he was capable of
recognising the lie he was telling himself.
I don't know David Icke.
This leads to further refinements of the concept:
1. An idiot is one who lies about core matters - but only to himself.
I will think about that. It is complex, and dangerous because it is
both counter-intuitive, and probably in the G* minus G part.
Others long since realised he enjoys playing this game with himself
and that any other setup would entail him in ceasing to enjoy the
game.
If he enjoys himself he might not just be idiot, but dishonest, which
is far graver.
It is complex. And the machine protagorean theory is much too rough
here, and easily misunderstood, indeed "morally". Platonist likes to
relate truth, goodness, beautifulness, intelligence, ... though.
Bruno
2. ??
Please feel free to add your own refinement.
Kim
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