On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 04 Oct 2015, at 15:26, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 1:26 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> As the simulation runs at the speed of light, we'd have to drive very >> fast and randomly, indeed. > > > Ok, but suppose that the simulation has limited resources and only > computes some sphere around the current part of the universe you're > observing. Then it might do some predictive analysis to pre-compute likely > future states. Driving randomly would be an attempt to fuck with that > algorithm. Of course this would have to be a scenario where our perception > channels are hijacked but our cognition is performed in the real world. If > Our cognition is part of the simulation, it can just take more > outside-the-simulation time to compute the next simulation moment and the > inhabitants of the simulation won't notice. > > >> It is a simulation, or rather, a computation, such as a statistical >> mechanics analysis. The boot up and power on and self test, was the Big >> Bang. > > > My view is that the big bang is the simplest possible state, so it's the > common ancestor of all possible states, so if you look far enough in time > your are bound to observe it. > > > I tend to agree, but I think this should be derived when Qm will be > derived. > Sure, I don't claim the above to be anything more than a hunch. > > > > My crazy hypothesis is that the instant of the big bang is shared by all > universes and belongs to all histories. > > > With all the Coebe dispersion, making already a lot of quasi-classical > histories possible, but with all the same physical laws. But a sooner > diffraction of realities exist too. > > Now, I can' be sure that what we call the big bang is the real big bang or > start of the physical histories. It might be a collision of branes, or just > a very big explosion, among infinitely many, I mean the "terrestrial > reality" can run very deep. > Ok, but even then I'm not sure the both ideas are mutually exclusive. Can the multiverse contain two copies of the same moment? What would that mean? I have a similar position in regards to simulations. Suppose you have a perfect simulation of the middle ages running in a computer. The inhabitants are not aware that they are in a simulation, but their entire universe is exactly the same as the original in terms of information content. Can you really claim that you created a "copy" of the middle ages, or did you just figure out a way to make all the information available from your perspective? I see the simulation hypothesis as more of a way to connect dots in a graph more than a model of nested dolls. I think the latter implies mysticism -- that the computational medium as any bearing on the experience of the computed entities. > > > > >> here's another completely, off the wall, point of view. The challenge is >> not merely, to discover what is true, but to discover what is true, and >> then use this against despair. > > > I agree. > > > Despair is a complex topic. I do think that the pursuit of truth can help > or should help. > I think so too. > The lies and the false, which can help locally, only make things harder > later. > Yes, and lies can be very subtle. > > > > > >> Consider this a super-goal, perhaps one that is best resolved by >> hypercomputing. > > > I comment on spudboy100, here. I don't think so. With hyper-computing, you > will get only hyper-problem, and you will need to pay hypertaxes. Of > course, that is good investment, especially if the humans want to remained > connected when colliding with Andromeda. > > The harm reduction is more in the acceptance of lack of perfect solution, > and in detaching from certainty, which can help solidify the basic perhaps > eternal values. > > > > > > This utilizes both the cerebrum and the amygdala, to achieve this goal. We >> use the cerebrum to discover, we use the amygdala to decide when we are >> pleased with the result. >> > > A basic implementation of a basic loop, OK. > > Bruno > > > > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> >> To: everything-list <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sun, Oct 4, 2015 6:28 am >> Subject: Re: Mandela effect? >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 9:05 PM, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Never heard of it before. >>> >>> http://www.skeptic.com/insight/the-mandela-effect/ >>> >> >> >> I have heard about it, and found it silly (I agree with the link and with >> what Bruno said). >> >> It is fun to see how the Internet enables kids to explore weird ideas >> though: >> https://www.reddit.com/r/mandelaeffect >> >> I remember when me and a friend, after failing to impress some girls at a >> bar, started philosophizing about the nature of reality. We came up with >> the sort of ideas that later became popular in the Matrix (and were popular >> before in smaller circles, of course), and decided to test the simulation. >> Our hypothesis was that, if we started driving fast and always choosing a >> random path, we would eventually break the simulation's ability to "keep >> up". It didn't work, but these days we could have started an Internet >> movement. >> >> Best, >> Telmo. >> >> >> >>> >>> Brent >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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