On Fri, Oct 30, 2015  Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote:

I'll try again... fooling myself again in believing you're honest here
>

​Oh dear, I feared that "bye" in your last post didn't mean much. ​



> ​> ​
> So let's pretend our "AI" is in fact a Nintendo Entertainment System
> game... that game, can be run on a physical NES, or can be run in an
> emulator running on a physical computer... or on an emulator running on an
> emulator running on a physical computer...
>

​That's OK provided one of 2 things is true:

1) The sequence of simulations of simulations of simulations eventually
terminates with a physical computer.

2) The sequence is infinite and never terminates; in which case mathematics
really would be more fundamental than physics.  ​



​> ​
> From the POV of the game, it is unable to distinguish those cases
>

​Agreed. ​


​> ​
> Same thing with the AI, the information it has access to, it cannot tell
> the ontological status of what that information represent... those
> informations could come from a really real ontological physical world... or
> an emulation of the  really real ontological physical world or an emulation
> of an emulation of the  really real ontological physical world.... it has
> no way to decide the ontological status of that "external world".
>

​Agreed.​

​

 John K Clark​

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