2015-10-29 16:33 GMT+01:00 John Clark <[email protected]>: > On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> >>> Matter always matters. >>> >> >> > >> I repeat if there is *absolutely no sensors writing **any** information >> in a *memory location* readable by the AI program >> > > And I repeat, If the microprocessor made of matter that obeys the laws of > physics can't sense **any** information in the AI program then the AI > program is not running, it's not intelligent it's just a inert list of > instructions DOING nothing. >
Re-read what is written above... > > >> > >> how can that affect if ? how can it knows that external world ?* >> > > It could have memories of that external world before the sensors were > detached, if they were never attached then it could have no knowledge of > that world > That's the point... as no information of that "external" world is fed to it. > but it would still have knowledge of some virtual world in its memory > banks. > Who cares ? the question was about the "external" world. > If the stuff in its memory bank is not rich enough to be called a world > then it wouldn't be a AI program, it would just be a program. > > > >> yes the AI program runs on a physical computer if you want, >> > > It's not what I want that's important, it's the universe that insists > You're the one insisting... didn't heard the universe complaining. > that the AI program be running on a computer made of matter that obeys the > laws of physics; nobody has ever made a calculation without physical > matter. > > >> > >> and stopping it, stops the program >> > > Agreed. > > >> > >> >> from the POV of the AI program, that physical world has no bearing on it >> nor even existence, as *nothing from it* absolutely *no information about >> that external world* is passed to it, >> > > Regardless of how abstract the AI's thoughts may be you can bet money > that the physical state of its memory banks and the physical state of its > microprocessors WILL have a bearing on it! > The point is not there, it's the fact that that hypothetical AI *could have no knowledge about an hypothetical external world*, and as such from its POV, it has only an hypothetical existense... and it's existence (of that external world) is as real as any hypothetical. Quentin > > John K Clark > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
