On 02 Feb 2016, at 23:44, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
John, smooth video using Mandelbrot sets plus Conway's life.
Recursion and all that. I have no tiding of great joy to bring you.
I could give you the Boltzmann Brain argument for God if you would
like, but that is cold comfort, as well, but it seems plausible.
There are a couple of guys who restarted Cosmism, as an explanation
for how things are, and the suggestion, possibly, of a brighter
future. Their ideas haven't been fleshed out yet with enough physics
and astronomy and computer science, to be a really, usable, mental,
scientific, app for both atheist's and religionists, alike. It's my
hope and pursuit and its real possible I am pursuing fools gold with
this, but let me say
that neurobiologically, I bet I am wired for doing this. In my case,
a varmint's got to do what a varmints got to do. This, if we can
get our ducks all in a row, could be a big psychological, and later,
a physiological fix, maybe?
Mitch
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On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 9:26 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]
> wrote:
> Most here, seek to propagate atheism
I don't want to promote atheism, I want to promote rationality. If
somebody gave me a proof or even a hint that God may exist then I'd
take the matter seriously, but nobody ever has.
Because you insist using the theology of Aristotle. But Aristotle was
not just wrong in physics, he was wrong in his refutation of the world
of Ideas of Plato. The work of Moderatus of Gades, Numenius, Plotinus
illustrates this with some rigor, and the Universal Machine discourse
even more clearly.
The God of Plato is only the Truth, that we search, and when we
understand/infer that it go beyond each of us, despite we can't prove
it.
With Mechanism, eventually we need only the notion of sigma_1 truth
for the ontology. That does not reduce the epistemology which bounces
in the transfinite and beyond.
And even if there were a rock solid proof that God existed I'd still
want to know why God gave a damn if I thought He existed or not. And
I mean that literally, why would God damn me to torture for all
eternity if I was unable to follow a logical proof?
The idea that God will send you in Hell if you "don't pay your
religious tax" (or alike) might have nothing to do with god, and
everything to do with the willingness of bandits to exploit the fear
and credulity of their fellows, for lucrative purposes.
God is defined by what is. The greek use that nickname for the concept
of everything, and the original debate was: is God the physical
universe + a little divine pinch (Aristotle: materialism) or is the
physical reality a symptom of a deeper simpler reality (Pythagorus,
Plato, and the so-called Mathematician, which should be called today
"mathematicalist").
The god which make moral judgment is important in our history, but it
is far from the original idea which is used only to be aware that
materialism is a nor provable hypothesis and that it leads to quite
big difficulties. We haev until now only put those diiculties under
the rug, but with computationalisme they are made clear and
mathematically formulable, and we can already interview the Löbian
Universal Machine on them, and get startling answers.
Bruno
> As to questions of creation, I would add Steinhart's 4
minute Youtube lecture on Conway's Life. Well worth watching indeed.
Clarity, via math and computer science.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouipbDkwHWA
Take a look at this, it's only 89 seconds long but it's the
most mindblowing life video I've ever seen. And it has a surprise
ending!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP5-iIeKXE8
John K Clark
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