What is the eye of a needle in the Bible?
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Samiya

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 5:21 AM, Samiya Illias <[email protected]>
wrote:

> You're welcome.
>
> The Eye of the Needle in Jerusalem? I didn't know that - thanks. I was
> trying to understand the concept only in terms of evolution - devolution.
>
> I don't know about that kind of faith being worthwhile - sounds like
> Pascal's Wager - wouldn't that be kind of hypocritical? I understand that
> only sincere faith and gratitude are acceptable.
>
> Samiya
>
> On 22-Mar-2016, at 2:47 am, John Mikes <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Thanks, very kind, although you still did not improve my way to 'believe'
> - i.e. to knowingly accept those concepts you write about (incl.: Allah).
>
> Just a little side-remark: you wrote several times about the "camel that
> passes through the eye of the needle". Well, I was never in Jerusalem, but
> was told that there is a very narrow and low passage in an old street,
> called "the eye of the needle" and a full grown camel cannot pass through
> on foot.
> But it sounds great if you figure a sawing needle's eye.
>
> I had a good friend - almost ordained into Catholic priesthood - who said:
> it represents so little effort with so much benefit at stake to believe,
> that it is really not worthwhile not to...
> He died lately, would be interesting to learn about his experiences NOW.
>
> JM
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 10:45 PM, Samiya Illias <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> I was just trying to answer your queries. I cannot bring you or anyone,
>> or even myself, for that matter to belief. It is only through the favour
>> and blessings of God that faith finds its place in our hearts. I could also
>> have grown agnostic or atheist in spite of being born to believing parents.
>> Its only Allah whose took care of my heart, and guided me, and increased me
>> in guidance and belief. The favour of Allah upon me has truly been
>> magnificent! I'm humbled in gratitude, and I hope and pray that I am able
>> to live my purpose and when I meet Allah, He is well-pleased with me.
>>
>> So many mighty civilisations have passed, only to end in utter ruin and
>> annihilation:
>> Say, "Travel in the earth and see how was (the) end (of) those who (were)
>> before. Most of them were polytheists."
>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/30/42/
>>
>> I wonder what is the purpose why our paths have crossed? Perhaps God
>> intends to lead you to forgiveness and a reward that will never end.
>>
>> So look at (the) effects (of the) Mercy (of) Allah, how He gives life
>> (to) the earth after its death. Indeed, that surely He (will) give life
>> (to) the dead. And He (is) on every thing All-Powerful.
>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/30/50/
>>
>> I'm posting an excerpt from my blogpost,
>> http://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/03/fuel-of-hell-humans-and-stones.html.
>> I cannot provide 'induction', perhaps this will mean something, and be of
>> some use:
>>
>> *Seven Gates*
>> *لَهَا سَبْعَةُ أَبْوَابٍ لِّكُلِّ بَابٍ مِّنْهُمْ جُزْءٌ مَّقْسُومٌ*
>>
>> [Al-Qur’an 15:44 <http://islamawakened.com/quran/15/44/>, translator:
>> Sahih International] It has *seven gates*; for every gate is of them a
>> portion designated."
>>
>> A video footage, published on Feb 20, 2015, of Ambrym’s crater, Marum,
>> located along the Ring of Fire in the Vanuatu Archipelago, home to one of 
>> *only
>> seven permanent lava lakes *in the world:
>> http://adventureblog.nationalgeographic.com/2015/02/20/video-adventurer-and-drones-go-into-the-volcano-for-science
>>
>>
>> [Al-Qur’an 7:40 <http://islamawakened.com/quran/7/40/>, translator:
>> Shakir] Surely (as for) those who reject Our communications and turn away
>> from them haughtily, the doors of heaven shall not be opened for them, nor
>> shall they enter the garden until the camel pass through the eye of the
>> needle
>> <http://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2014/05/until-camel-passes-through-eye-of-needle.html>;
>> and thus do We reward the guilty.
>>
>>
>> Samiya
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 3:26 AM, John Mikes <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> sorry,
>>>  Samiya,
>>> you can use more and more texts if you do not provide one iota  of
>>> induction to make me believe your (or the quoted written?) words.
>>> Calling 'names' and stating features is not the way to make one believe.
>>> We are people of the (so called) 21st century.
>>> The entire image is formulated upon the pagan origins composed into  the
>>> Jewish - then  the Christian Bible, arriving 5 centuries later as the
>>> Quran-version.
>>> Whatever I read is "just said, or written" (passive voice) and the
>>> "Gardens" are *locally* unspecified, (in Iraq?)  while *temporarily*
>>> they are elusive in the millennia of development(over the past 3-4 billion
>>> recent-earthly) years. Where are the "Heavens"-used as to point to a place?
>>>
>>> I can write promises and threats myself.
>>> That is not hypocrisy. That is not 'disbelieving' if nothing points
>>> positively WHY to beleive any of it. Agnosticism does not lead to belief.
>>> I was a 'believer' when a child - I followed the Mummy-stories and later
>>> the
>>> lectures I got at school. Then I got a wider horizon and the stories did
>>> not fit.
>>> I am not even FOR science, I consider it a human manipulation to explain
>>> whatever has not been explained so far. But SOME got more likely over the
>>> past 15 centuries and I want to keep pace with our advancement.
>>> Not reverse  by 1500 years in "belief".  (Verses, or not).
>>> JM
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Samiya Illias <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please find my responses below separated by dashed lines:
>>>>
>>>> ---------------
>>>>
>>>> What do you mean by *'*mentlal' life?
>>>> ---------------
>>>>
>>>> God is the Creator and Sustainer of everything. The following are some
>>>> verses explaining who God (Allah) is:
>>>>
>>>> Allah - (there is) no God except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of
>>>> all that exists. Not overtakes Him slumber [and] not sleep. To Him
>>>> (belongs) what(ever) (is) in the heavens and what(ever) (is) in the earth.
>>>> Who (is) the one who can intercede with Him except by He knows what (is)
>>>> before them and what (is) behind them. And not they encompass anything of
>>>> His Knowledge except [of] what He willed. Extends His Throne (to) the
>>>> heavens and the earth. And not tires Him (the) guarding of both of them.
>>>> And He (is) the Most High, the Most Great.
>>>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/2/255/
>>>>
>>>> Allah - (there is) no God except Him, the Ever-Living the Sustainer of
>>>> all that exists. He revealed to you the Book in [the] truth confirming that
>>>> which (was) before it, and He revealed the Taurat and the Injeel,
>>>> http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/3/2/ ;
>>>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/3/3/
>>>>
>>>> Allah (is the) Light (of) the heavens and the earth. (The) example (of)
>>>> His Light (is) like a niche in it (is) a lamp; the lamp (is) in a glass,
>>>> the glass as if it were a star brilliant (which) is lit from a tree blessed
>>>> - an olive, not (of the) east and not (of the) west, would almost its oil
>>>> glow, even if not touched it fire. Light upon Light. Allah guides to His
>>>> Light whom He wills. And Allah sets forth the examples for the mankind. And
>>>> Allah of every thing (is) All-Knower.
>>>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/24/35/
>>>> I translate the above verse a little differently. For my understanding
>>>> of the above verse, please read:
>>>>
>>>> http://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2014/08/kawakib-planets-comets-and-other-rocky.html
>>>>
>>>> http://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2014/08/guarding-sky.html
>>>>
>>>> And whoever strives then only he strives for himself. Indeed, Allah
>>>> (is) Free from need of the worlds.
>>>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/29/6/
>>>>
>>>> Allah (is the) Creator (of) all things, and He (is) over all things a
>>>> Guardian.
>>>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/39/62/
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, Allah, He (is) the All-Provider, Possessor (of) Power the
>>>> Strong.
>>>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/51/58/
>>>>
>>>> Chapter 57, verses 1-6
>>>> 1 Whatever is in the heavens and on earth,- let it declare the Praises
>>>> and Glory of Allah: for He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.
>>>> 2 To Him belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth: It is He
>>>> Who gives Life and Death; and He has Power over all things.
>>>> 3 He is the First and the Last, the Evident and the Immanent: and He
>>>> has full knowledge of all things.
>>>> 4 He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in Six Days, and is
>>>> moreover firmly established on the Throne (of Authority). He knows what
>>>> enters within the earth and what comes forth out of it, what comes down
>>>> from heaven and what mounts up to it. And He is with you wheresoever ye may
>>>> be. And Allah sees well all that ye do.
>>>> 5 To Him belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth: and all
>>>> affairs are referred back to Allah.
>>>> 6 He merges Night into Day, and He merges Day into Night; and He has
>>>> full knowledge of the secrets of (all) hearts.
>>>> http://searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=57&translator=2
>>>>
>>>> Chapter 27, verses 60-65
>>>> 60 [More precisely], is He [not best] who created the heavens and the
>>>> earth and sent down for you rain from the sky, causing to grow thereby
>>>> gardens of joyful beauty which you could not [otherwise] have grown the
>>>> trees thereof? Is there a deity with Allah? [No], but they are a people who
>>>> ascribe equals [to Him].
>>>> 61 Is He [not best] who made the earth a stable ground and placed
>>>> within it rivers and made for it firmly set mountains and placed between
>>>> the two seas a barrier? Is there a deity with Allah? [No], but most of them
>>>> do not know.
>>>> 62 Is He [not best] who responds to the desperate one when he calls
>>>> upon Him and removes evil and makes you inheritors of the earth? Is there a
>>>> deity with Allah? Little do you remember.
>>>> 63 Is He [not best] who guides you through the darknesses of the land
>>>> and sea and who sends the winds as good tidings before His mercy? Is there
>>>> a deity with Allah? High is Allah above whatever they associate with Him.
>>>> 64 Is He [not best] who begins creation and then repeats it and who
>>>> provides for you from the heaven and earth? Is there a deity with Allah?
>>>> Say, "Produce your proof, if you should be truthful."
>>>> 65 Say, "None in the heavens and earth knows the unseen except Allah,
>>>> and they do not perceive when they will be resurrected."
>>>> http://searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=27&translator=29
>>>>
>>>> --------------
>>>> Yes, I meant the Gardens of Eden
>>>>
>>>> --------------
>>>> Thank you for pointing out. I should have checked and quoted the
>>>> verses:
>>>>
>>>> He said, "Its knowledge (is) with my Lord, in a Record. Not errs my
>>>> Lord and not forgets."
>>>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/20/52/
>>>>
>>>> And not we descend except by (the) Command (of) your Lord. To Him
>>>> (belongs) what (is) before us and what (is) behind us, and what (is)
>>>> between that. And not is your Lord forgetful
>>>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/19/64/
>>>>
>>>> The hypocrite men and the hypocrite women, some of them (are) of
>>>> others. They enjoin the wrong and forbid what (is) the right, and they
>>>> close their hands. They forget Allah, so He has forgotten them. Indeed, the
>>>> hypocrites, they (are) the defiantly disobedient. Allah has promised the
>>>> hypocrite men, and the hypocrite women and the disbelievers, Fire (of)
>>>> Hell, they (will) abide forever in it. It (is) sufficient for them. And
>>>> Allah has cursed them, and for them (is) a punishment enduring.
>>>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/9/67/ ;
>>>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/9/68/
>>>>
>>>> Those who took their religion (as) an amusement and play and deluded
>>>> them the life (of) the world." So today We forget them as they forgot (the)
>>>> meeting (of) this Day of theirs, and [what] (as) they used to reject Our
>>>> Verses.
>>>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/7/51/
>>>>
>>>> And it will be said, "Today We forget you as you forgot (the) meeting
>>>> (of) this Day of yours, and your abode (is) the Fire, and not for you any
>>>> helpers.
>>>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/45/34/
>>>>
>>>> For the difference between We and I in the Quran, please read:
>>>> http://islam-qna.blogspot.com/2016/01/shiftng-pronouns-in-quran.html
>>>>
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.513685862018044.1073741826.182594355127198&type=3
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Samiya
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 12:40 AM, John Mikes <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Samiya wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> *"All life that we call life is life. In fact, there are more kinds of
>>>>> life than we have identified so far. All life is water-based..." *
>>>>>
>>>>> *Contradictory: '*mentlal' life is not water-based*. Also:* "all we
>>>>> CALL something" is no distinction.
>>>>>
>>>>> *"...There is only one God. ..."*
>>>>>
>>>>> A blank statement, especially with no distinction WHAT to call 'God'?
>>>>>
>>>>> *"All creation will be gathered to God upon resurrection, and all who
>>>>> were tried in this life will be judged and recompensed. The Quran speaks 
>>>>> of
>>>>> humans and jinns being judged. I do not know if other creatures are also
>>>>> under trial and if they are to be judged and recompensed as well...."*
>>>>>
>>>>> In brief: "I don't know". For the 'Quran' see my previous sentence as
>>>>> for 'Quran'.
>>>>>
>>>>> *When the Gardens are given as inheritance to those of the progeny of
>>>>> Adam whom God considers worthy of such reward and responsibility, they 
>>>>> will
>>>>> enjoy the wondrous creations of God in their Garden(s). *
>>>>> *When those who are unworthy of the Gardens are made to enter the
>>>>> Fire, they will suffer greatly as God will reject and forget them just as
>>>>> they rejected and forgot God in this world. *
>>>>>
>>>>> "progeny of Adam?" where in the genetic history of animals should I
>>>>> look for him? You do not seem to deny the progress of scientific
>>>>> discoveries.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gardens?"  you mean 'of Eden?'
>>>>>
>>>>> Then again the last sentence in Italics seems to contain blasphemy:
>>>>> compairing God's imitation to the human (emotional???) rejection and
>>>>> forgetfulness. 'Just as' points to equals.
>>>>>
>>>>> JM
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 12:36 AM, Samiya Illias <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 3:17 AM, John Mikes <[email protected]>
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Excuse me, Samiya, do you have a distinction WHAT to call LIFE?
>>>>>>> What life? human only, or "ANY"? including plant, microbial,
>>>>>>> inorganic, etc.?
>>>>>>> Do the diverse kinds of such diversified life-listings have
>>>>>>> different Gods?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do a rose struggle to get into the ROSE-HEAVEN? (or into the same,
>>>>>>> where we may prefer to spend eternity?) Are bed-bugs in the afterlife? 
>>>>>>> (No,
>>>>>>> no, that was just a stupid joke).
>>>>>>> JM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John M,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All life that we call life is life. In fact, there are more kinds of
>>>>>> life than we have identified so far. All life is water-based.
>>>>>> There is only one God.
>>>>>> All creation will be gathered to God upon resurrection, and all who
>>>>>> were tried in this life will be judged and recompensed. The Quran speaks 
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> humans and jinns being judged. I do not know if other creatures are also
>>>>>> under trial and if they are to be judged and recompensed as well.
>>>>>> When the Gardens are given as inheritance to those of the progeny of
>>>>>> Adam whom God considers worthy of such reward and responsibility, they 
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> enjoy the wondrous creations of God in their Garden(s).
>>>>>> When those who are unworthy of the Gardens are made to enter the
>>>>>> Fire, they will suffer greatly as God will reject and forget them just as
>>>>>> they rejected and forgot God in this world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Samiya
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 11:26 PM, John Mikes <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I failed to connect your 'veses' to my questions.
>>>>>>> John Mikes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 2:49 AM, Samiya Illias <
>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John M,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The following verses address some of your questions:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Present Creation*
>>>>>>>> Do not see those who disbelieved that the heavens and the earth
>>>>>>>> were a joined entity, then We parted them and We made from [the] water
>>>>>>>> every living thing? Then will not they believe?
>>>>>>>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/21/30/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And present to them the example (of) the life (of) the world, like
>>>>>>>> water which We send down from the sky, then mingles with it (the)
>>>>>>>> vegetation (of) the earth then becomes dry stalks, it (is) scattered 
>>>>>>>> (by)
>>>>>>>> the winds. And Allah over every thing (is) All Able.
>>>>>>>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/18/45/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And not [of] any animal in the earth and not a bird (that) flies
>>>>>>>> with its wings - but (are) communities like you. We have not neglected 
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the Book [of] anything, then to their Lord they will be gathered.
>>>>>>>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/6/38/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Glory be (to) the One Who created (in) pairs all of what grows the
>>>>>>>> earth and of themselves, and of what not they know.
>>>>>>>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/36/36/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Creation in the Hereafter *
>>>>>>>> Regarding the details of the wonderful life promised in the Gardens
>>>>>>>> of Eden, they are intended as a delightful surprise:
>>>>>>>> And not knows a soul what is hidden for them of (the) comfort (for)
>>>>>>>> the eyes (as) a reward for what they used (to) do.
>>>>>>>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/32/17/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Quran does list some of the characteristics of the Gardens
>>>>>>>> promised for the Hereafter. What strikes me is that the characteristics
>>>>>>>> listed are generally those which scientists theorise as primary 
>>>>>>>> conditions
>>>>>>>> essential for life, as well as those to not to age or decay. I've 
>>>>>>>> listed
>>>>>>>> some verses at:
>>>>>>>> Immortality & A Kingdom that Never Decays:
>>>>>>>> http://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/11/mission-of-messengers-vi.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bliss & Realm Magnificent:
>>>>>>>> http://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2014/09/bliss-realm-magnificent.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On the contrary, Immortality is also promised in Hell, but
>>>>>>>> everything there will be in a state of decay, and thus great suffering 
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> be the fate of those who must dwell there. The following are some 
>>>>>>>> aspects
>>>>>>>> of that which I've tried to understand:
>>>>>>>> Fuel of Hell: Humans & Stones:
>>>>>>>> http://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/03/fuel-of-hell-humans-and-stones.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Until the Camel passes through the Eye of the Needle:
>>>>>>>> http://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2014/05/until-camel-passes-through-eye-of-needle.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *One and Only God*
>>>>>>>> And they make with Allah partners - jinn though He has created
>>>>>>>> them, and they falsely attribute to Him sons and daughters without
>>>>>>>> knowledge. Glorified is He and Exalted above what they
>>>>>>>> attribute. Originator (of) the heavens and the earth. How can be for 
>>>>>>>> Him a
>>>>>>>> son while not (there) is for Him a companion, and He created every 
>>>>>>>> thing?
>>>>>>>> And He (is) of every thing All-Knower. That (is) Allah your Lord, 
>>>>>>>> (there
>>>>>>>> is) no god except Him, (the) Creator (of) every thing, so worship Him. 
>>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>>> He (is) on every thing a Guardian.
>>>>>>>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/6/100/ ;
>>>>>>>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/6/101/ ;
>>>>>>>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/6/102/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Quran Chapter 27, verses 60-66 question thus:
>>>>>>>> 1 Ta, Seen. These are the verses of the Qur'an and a clear Book
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> 60 [More precisely], is He [not best] who created the heavens and
>>>>>>>> the earth and sent down for you rain from the sky, causing to grow 
>>>>>>>> thereby
>>>>>>>> gardens of joyful beauty which you could not [otherwise] have grown the
>>>>>>>> trees thereof? Is there a deity with Allah? [No], but they are a 
>>>>>>>> people who
>>>>>>>> ascribe equals [to Him].
>>>>>>>> 61 Is He [not best] who made the earth a stable ground and placed
>>>>>>>> within it rivers and made for it firmly set mountains and placed 
>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>> the two seas a barrier? Is there a deity with Allah? [No], but most of 
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> do not know.
>>>>>>>> 62 Is He [not best] who responds to the desperate one when he
>>>>>>>> calls upon Him and removes evil and makes you inheritors of the earth? 
>>>>>>>> Is
>>>>>>>> there a deity with Allah? Little do you remember.
>>>>>>>> 63 Is He [not best] who guides you through the darknesses of the
>>>>>>>> land and sea and who sends the winds as good tidings before His mercy? 
>>>>>>>> Is
>>>>>>>> there a deity with Allah? High is Allah above whatever they associate 
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> Him.
>>>>>>>> 64 Is He [not best] who begins creation and then repeats it and
>>>>>>>> who provides for you from the heaven and earth? Is there a deity with
>>>>>>>> Allah? Say, "Produce your proof, if you should be truthful."
>>>>>>>> 65 Say, "None in the heavens and earth knows the unseen except
>>>>>>>> Allah, and they do not perceive when they will be resurrected."
>>>>>>>> 66 Rather, their knowledge is arrested concerning the Hereafter.
>>>>>>>> Rather, they are in doubt about it. Rather, they are, concerning it, 
>>>>>>>> blind.
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> 92 And to recite the Qur'an." And whoever is guided is only guided
>>>>>>>> for [the benefit of] himself; and whoever strays - say, "I am only 
>>>>>>>> [one] of
>>>>>>>> the warners."
>>>>>>>> 93 And say, "[All] praise is [due] to Allah. He will show you His
>>>>>>>> signs, and you will recognize them. And your Lord is not unaware of 
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> you do."
>>>>>>>> http://searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=27&translator=29
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Samiya
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 3:17 AM, John Mikes <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Excuse me, Samiya, do you have a distinction WHAT to call LIFE?
>>>>>>>>> What life? human only, or "ANY"? including plant, microbial,
>>>>>>>>> inorganic, etc.?
>>>>>>>>> Do the diverse kinds of such diversified life-listings have
>>>>>>>>> different Gods?
>>>>>>>>> Do a rose struggle to get into the ROSE-HEAVEN? (or into the same,
>>>>>>>>> where we may prefer to spend eternity?) Are bed-bugs in the 
>>>>>>>>> afterlife? (No,
>>>>>>>>> no, that was just a stupid joke).
>>>>>>>>> JM
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Samiya Illias <
>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please see: http://cosmicfingerprints.com/origin-of-life-video/
>>>>>>>>>> PZ Myers - Perry Marshall debate:
>>>>>>>>>> http://cosmicfingerprints.com/pz-myers/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Samiya
>>>>>>>>>>
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