On 11/06/2016 3:56 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Jun 2016, at 03:02, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 10/06/2016 1:41 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Jun 2016, at 01:28, Bruce Kellett wrote:
In other words, FPI is just the statement that Alice and Bob have
to look to find out which of the (+,+'), (+,-'), (-,+'), or (-,-')
worlds they are in. I don't think that actually adds anything
significant to the discussion.
That eliminates the physical spooky action at a distance which are
necessarily there in QM+collapse.
You have yet to prove that -- assertion is not proof.
By defining world by "closed for interaction", locality follows from
linearity.
Bruno, you specialize in these oracular pronouncements that mean
absolutely nothing. "locality follows from linearity" -- what a load of
total nonsense.
There are 1p statistical interference, but Bell's inequality violation
is accounted without FTL, which is not the case with collapse, or
Bohmian particules.
I gave the proof with others, and eventually you admitted that there
was no real action at a distance. But with one world, those are real
action at a distance. So I think the point has been made.
There is no FTL mechanism in action in one world or many: Bell
non-locality obeys the no-signalling theorem. You have to get over
thinking that non-locality means FTL action.
That adds nothing, indeed. That shows only that the paradoxes came
only from the axioms some have added to fit their philosophical
prejudices.
So you add axioms to suit your philosophical prejudices just as
others do -- how does that make your position any better than that of
others?
No. I subtract axioms.
Bohr's axioms: SWE + COLLAPSE + number (add,mult) (+
unintelligible theory of mind)
Everett's axioms SWE + Number (add,mult). (+ mechanist theory of
mind)
Your servitor's axioms: Number(add,mult). (+ mechanist theory
of mind)
And I don't pretend that is true, only that digital mechanism makes
this necessary and testable (modulo the usual "malin génies").
All the above sets of axioms lead to non-local theories. You may claim
just to subtract axioms, but that is as much choosing your axioms as any
other procedure. And you have yet to show that you get the physics of
this world out of your theory --and demonstrate the necessary stability
of the physics. Just wishing evil genies away does not actually banish them.
Bruce
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