Leave the Milky Way for Andromeda? reminds me of the Hungarian joke (heard around 1930): Guy goes to God and begs: Oh my God, in who's eyes a second seem like a million years, could you give me a million bucks? And God replies: OK, just wait a second. JM
On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 8:53 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote: > We cannot yet leave the Milky Way as yet, Professori! I feel humans and > other animals need something better to dwell on then, The Big Sleep. > Andromeda must wait a few billion years, eh. I do not have a good mental > grip on non-material existence, but neither am I fluent in network > engineering yet. It's back to casting your fate to the wind as the old folk > song went. Pattern Identity, I understand I think. > > *Let us be careful so that humanity stays connected when the Milky Way > will meet Andromeda. That might be quite a big challenge. It will involve > huge amounts of computations. Meeting the mini galaxy Magellan, as we do > today, will be a good preparation, perhaps. * > > *But we might count on some surprises too, as we know virtually nothing > about 'reality'.* > > *With Digital Mechanism, there is an inflation of type of immortality > possible, some of which are accessible here and now (the progress here is > that we have stopped to burn on the stake those who practice them. We send > them in jail or in asylum).* > > *Bruno* > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> > To: everything-list <[email protected]> > Sent: Fri, Jul 8, 2016 11:14 am > Subject: Re: What are among the world's most important problems to solve, > why? > > > On 08 Jul 2016, at 02:05, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: > > Well, for psychological reasons, I agree with John Clark's initial > response.The goal, I am guessing is restoration, in principle, as Brent > Meeker's comment, earlier. I am guessing that file restoration from the > past, if done exact enough would render full resurrection or file > restoration of us, complete to the point of engaging in these emails, and > then doubting that a replica would really be you? If it is based on quantum > information, one physicist writer, started off her essay, stating that the > information that is us, that is the universe is preserved in the quantum. > The physicist in question is Sabine Hossenfelder, in here article about > natural evolving quantum computers, aka block holes. > After you die, your body’s atoms will disperse and find new venues, > making their way into oceans, trees and other bodies. But according to the > laws of quantum mechanics, all of the information about your body’s build > and function will prevail. The relations between the atoms, the uncountable > particulars that made you *you*, will remain forever preserved, albeit in > unrecognisably scrambled form – lost in practice, but immortal in principle > . > Good enough for me, on this.... Now the rest is engineering and data > restoration. Easy, huh? > > > You are not made of atoms, which mainly change every decades. You are a > pattern of immaterial information, and you survive in any reasonable sense > only if you have the environment (aka universal numbers) capable of > processing that pattern of information. Now that exists in infinitely many > occurrence in elementary arithmetic. But that is not necessary consoling, > as in principle it could mean that life is 100 years of bearable life > followed by an eternal agony, as from your 1p view, you will feel surviving > as long as some universal numbers make you believe in them, and they are > infinitely many competing/collaborating universal numbers for that. > > Immortality without some quality of life might be worst than mortality. > > Let us be careful so that humanity stays connected when the Milky Way will > meet Andromeda. That might be quite a big challenge. It will involve huge > amounts of computations. Meeting the mini galaxy Magellan, as we do today, > will be a good preparation, perhaps. > But we might count on some surprises too, as we know virtually nothing > about 'reality'. > > With Digital Mechanism, there is an inflation of type of immortality > possible, some of which are accessible here and now (the progress here is > that we have stopped to burn on the stake those who practice them. We send > them in jail or in asylum). > > Bruno > > > > > > > https://aeon.co/essays/is-the-black-hole-at-our-galaxy-s-centre-a-quantum-computer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brent Meeker <[email protected]> > To: everything-list <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, Jul 7, 2016 7:18 pm > Subject: Re: What are among the world's most important problems to solve, > why? > > Information about the past is available to us (at least according to our > present understanding of the laws of physics). It's the future that we > have only limited information about. > Brent > > On 7/7/2016 3:36 PM, Mindey wrote: > > Cryonics can help those who are alive today. That is good, but not good > enough, since I do miss some people who died when I was 2. Universe can > think whatever it wants, but just because the laws of physics had worked > until now, doesn't mean that they will work exactly the same in the future, > or that there is future. I'm really dissatisfied that we can't change the > laws of physics, modify them, and cannot have all the information about > time and space to explore... The moment of "now" is the event horizon of > the 4-dimensional black hole, past this horizon, the information becomes > inaccessible to us (stuck in the past), and I really don't like living next > to a black hole... > > On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 10:18:06 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Mindey <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >>>> One problem towers over all others, death. >>>> >>> >>> > >>> Well, I suppose death results from imbalance between order and entropy. >>> One problem we have that is close, is Recovering Information of the >>> Minds of the Past <http://infty.xyz/g/61/en>. We plan to have a >>> hierarchy of problems, to represent the connections. >>> >> >> You're only completely dead, as opposed to mostly dead, when >> >> Information Theoretical Death is reached. >> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information-theoretic_death> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information-theoretic_death >> >> http://www.evidencebasedcryonics.org/tag/information-theoretic-death/ >> >> That's why I shelled out $80000 to have my brain frozen in liquid >> Nitrogen when I become mostly dead. >> >> John K Clark >> >> >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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