Interesting. I wonder how many mathematicians (superstitious?) believe
in non-material "things"? One would think, platonists, neo-platonists,
whatever, would lean this way, since numbers can be looked at in 2
ways. That we made them up, or they pre-existed. I could buy into
easily the notion of an extra physical dimension interlocuted in what
we all can sense, where other things can exist, but not in "this"
space, but that also, is superstition. To study mathematics I would
need sufficient intellect which I do not possess, sad to admit. I am
guessing you might be referring to pharmacological experiences, which,
here also, seems to be avoid-worthy, for me.
To get a grip on non material existence, you can either study
mathematics, or use more direct techniques, but those are badly
seen in our obscurantist superstitious lasting middle-age ...
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From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
To: everything-list <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Jul 12, 2016 11:11 am
Subject: Re: What are among the world's most important problems to
solve, why?
On 09 Jul 2016, at 02:53, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
We cannot yet leave the Milky Way as yet, Professori! I feel
humans and other animals need something better to dwell on then,
The Big Sleep. Andromeda must wait a few billion years, eh. I do
not have a good mental grip on non-material existence, but neither
am I fluent in network engineering yet. It's back to casting your
fate to the wind as the old folk song went. Pattern Identity, I
understand I think.
We don't need to leave the Milky Way to avoid falling on a (bad) black
hole. We need to scrutinize and map the black hole in the two
galaxies, and make quantum simulation, and then disperse ourselves so
as to minimize the risk to be sent on one of them. To do that, I guess
we will need to go out of the solar system, if only because our sun
will grow, but we have plenty of time. Yet, there is a moment where it
might be too late, if we get distracted by our human affairs, or by
some other events.
To get a grip on non material existence, you can either study
mathematics, or use more direct techniques, but those are badly seen
in our obscurantist superstitious lasting middle-age ...
Bruno
/Let us be careful so that humanity stays connected when the Milky
Way will meet Andromeda. That might be quite a big challenge. It
will involve huge amounts of computations. Meeting the mini galaxy
Magellan, as we do today, will be a good preparation, perhaps. /
/But we might count on some surprises too, as we know
virtually nothing about 'reality'./
/
/
/With Digital Mechanism, there is an inflation of type of
immortality possible, some of which are accessible here and
now (the progress here is that we have stopped to burn on the
stake those who practice them. We send them in jail or in
asylum)./
/
/
/Bruno/
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From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
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Sent: Fri, Jul 8, 2016 11:14 am
Subject: Re: What are among the world's most important problems to
solve, why?
On 08 Jul 2016, at 02:05, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Well, for psychological reasons, I agree with John Clark's
initial response.The goal, I am guessing is restoration, in
principle, as Brent Meeker's comment, earlier. I am guessing
that file restoration from the past, if done exact enough
would render full resurrection or file restoration of us,
complete to the point of engaging in these emails, and then
doubting that a replica would really be you? If it is based on
quantum information, one physicist writer, started off her
essay, stating that the information that is us, that is the
universe is preserved in the quantum. The physicist in
question is Sabine Hossenfelder, in here article about natural
evolving quantum computers, aka block holes.
After you die, your body’s atoms will disperse and find new
venues, making their way into oceans, trees and other bodies.
But according to the laws of quantum mechanics, all of the
information about your body’s build and function will prevail.
The relations between the atoms, the uncountable particulars
that made you /you/, will remain forever preserved, albeit in
unrecognisably scrambled form – lost in practice, but immortal
in principle.
Good enough for me, on this.... Now the rest is engineering
and data restoration. Easy, huh?
You are not made of atoms, which mainly change every decades. You
are a pattern of immaterial information, and you survive in any
reasonable sense only if you have the environment (aka universal
numbers) capable of processing that pattern of information. Now
that exists in infinitely many occurrence in elementary
arithmetic. But that is not necessary consoling, as in principle
it could mean that life is 100 years of bearable life followed by
an eternal agony, as from your 1p view, you will feel surviving as
long as some universal numbers make you believe in them, and they
are infinitely many competing/collaborating universal numbers for
that.
Immortality without some quality of life might be worst than
mortality.
Let us be careful so that humanity stays connected when the Milky
Way will meet Andromeda. That might be quite a big challenge. It
will involve huge amounts of computations. Meeting the mini galaxy
Magellan, as we do today, will be a good preparation, perhaps.
But we might count on some surprises too, as we know virtually
nothing about 'reality'.
With Digital Mechanism, there is an inflation of type of
immortality possible, some of which are accessible here and now
(the progress here is that we have stopped to burn on the stake
those who practice them. We send them in jail or in asylum).
Bruno
https://aeon.co/essays/is-the-black-hole-at-our-galaxy-s-centre-a-quantum-computer
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From: Brent Meeker <[email protected]
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Sent: Thu, Jul 7, 2016 7:18 pm
Subject: Re: What are among the world's most important
problems to solve, why?
Information about the past is available to us (at least
according to our present understanding of the laws of
physics). It's the future that we have only limited
information about.
Brent
On 7/7/2016 3:36 PM, Mindey wrote:
Cryonics can help those who are alive today. That is good,
but not good enough, since I do miss some people who died
when I was 2. Universe can think whatever it wants, but
just because the laws of physics had worked until now,
doesn't mean that they will work exactly the same in the
future, or that there is future. I'm really dissatisfied
that we can't change the laws of physics, modify them, and
cannot have all the information about time and space to
explore... The moment of "now" is the event horizon of the
4-dimensional black hole, past this horizon, the
information becomes inaccessible to us (stuck in the
past), and I really don't like living next to a black hole...
On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 10:18:06 PM UTC, John Clark
wrote:
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Mindey
<[email protected]>wrote:
>>
One problem towers over all others, death.
>
Well, I suppose death results from imbalance
between order and entropy. One problem we have
that is close, is Recovering Information of the
Minds of the Past <http://infty.xyz/g/61/en>. We
plan to have a hierarchy of problems, to represent
the connections.
You're only completely dead, as opposed to mostly
dead, when
Information Theoretical Death is reached.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information-theoretic_death
http://www.evidencebasedcryonics.org/tag/information-theoretic-death/
<http://www.evidencebasedcryonics.org/tag/information-theoretic-death/>
That's why I shelled out $80000 to have my brain
frozen in liquid Nitrogen when I become mostly dead.
John K Clark
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