Interesting. I wonder how many mathematicians (superstitious?) believe in non-material "things"? One would think, platonists, neo-platonists, whatever, would lean this way, since numbers can be looked at in 2 ways. That we made them up, or they pre-existed. I could buy into easily the notion of an extra physical dimension interlocuted in what we all can sense, where other things can exist, but not in "this" space, but that also, is superstition. To study mathematics I would need sufficient intellect which I do not possess, sad to admit. I am guessing you might be referring to pharmacological experiences, which, here also, seems to be avoid-worthy, for me.
To get a grip on non material existence, you can either study mathematics, or use more direct techniques, but those are badly seen in our obscurantist superstitious lasting middle-age ... -----Original Message----- From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Jul 12, 2016 11:11 am Subject: Re: What are among the world's most important problems to solve, why? On 09 Jul 2016, at 02:53, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: We cannot yet leave the Milky Way as yet, Professori! I feel humans and other animals need something better to dwell on then, The Big Sleep. Andromeda must wait a few billion years, eh. I do not have a good mental grip on non-material existence, but neither am I fluent in network engineering yet. It's back to casting your fate to the wind as the old folk song went. Pattern Identity, I understand I think. We don't need to leave the Milky Way to avoid falling on a (bad) black hole. We need to scrutinize and map the black hole in the two galaxies, and make quantum simulation, and then disperse ourselves so as to minimize the risk to be sent on one of them. To do that, I guess we will need to go out of the solar system, if only because our sun will grow, but we have plenty of time. Yet, there is a moment where it might be too late, if we get distracted by our human affairs, or by some other events. To get a grip on non material existence, you can either study mathematics, or use more direct techniques, but those are badly seen in our obscurantist superstitious lasting middle-age ... Bruno Let us be careful so that humanity stays connected when the Milky Way will meet Andromeda. That might be quite a big challenge. It will involve huge amounts of computations. Meeting the mini galaxy Magellan, as we do today, will be a good preparation, perhaps. But we might count on some surprises too, as we know virtually nothing about 'reality'. With Digital Mechanism, there is an inflation of type of immortality possible, some of which are accessible here and now (the progress here is that we have stopped to burn on the stake those who practice them. We send them in jail or in asylum). Bruno -----Original Message----- From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Jul 8, 2016 11:14 am Subject: Re: What are among the world's most important problems to solve, why? On 08 Jul 2016, at 02:05, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Well, for psychological reasons, I agree with John Clark's initial response.The goal, I am guessing is restoration, in principle, as Brent Meeker's comment, earlier. I am guessing that file restoration from the past, if done exact enough would render full resurrection or file restoration of us, complete to the point of engaging in these emails, and then doubting that a replica would really be you? If it is based on quantum information, one physicist writer, started off her essay, stating that the information that is us, that is the universe is preserved in the quantum. The physicist in question is Sabine Hossenfelder, in here article about natural evolving quantum computers, aka block holes. After you die, your body’s atoms will disperse and find new venues, making their way into oceans, trees and other bodies. But according to the laws of quantum mechanics, all of the information about your body’s build and function will prevail. The relations between the atoms, the uncountable particulars that made you you, will remain forever preserved, albeit in unrecognisably scrambled form – lost in practice, but immortal in principle. Good enough for me, on this.... Now the rest is engineering and data restoration. Easy, huh? You are not made of atoms, which mainly change every decades. You are a pattern of immaterial information, and you survive in any reasonable sense only if you have the environment (aka universal numbers) capable of processing that pattern of information. Now that exists in infinitely many occurrence in elementary arithmetic. But that is not necessary consoling, as in principle it could mean that life is 100 years of bearable life followed by an eternal agony, as from your 1p view, you will feel surviving as long as some universal numbers make you believe in them, and they are infinitely many competing/collaborating universal numbers for that. Immortality without some quality of life might be worst than mortality. Let us be careful so that humanity stays connected when the Milky Way will meet Andromeda. That might be quite a big challenge. It will involve huge amounts of computations. Meeting the mini galaxy Magellan, as we do today, will be a good preparation, perhaps. But we might count on some surprises too, as we know virtually nothing about 'reality'. With Digital Mechanism, there is an inflation of type of immortality possible, some of which are accessible here and now (the progress here is that we have stopped to burn on the stake those who practice them. We send them in jail or in asylum). Bruno https://aeon.co/essays/is-the-black-hole-at-our-galaxy-s-centre-a-quantum-computer -----Original Message----- From: Brent Meeker <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Jul 7, 2016 7:18 pm Subject: Re: What are among the world's most important problems to solve, why? Information about the past is available to us (at least according to our present understanding of the laws of physics). It's the future that we have only limited information about. Brent On 7/7/2016 3:36 PM, Mindey wrote: Cryonics can help those who are alive today. That is good, but not good enough, since I do miss some people who died when I was 2. Universe can think whatever it wants, but just because the laws of physics had worked until now, doesn't mean that they will work exactly the same in the future, or that there is future. I'm really dissatisfied that we can't change the laws of physics, modify them, and cannot have all the information about time and space to explore... The moment of "now" is the event horizon of the 4-dimensional black hole, past this horizon, the information becomes inaccessible to us (stuck in the past), and I really don't like living next to a black hole... On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 10:18:06 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Mindey <[email protected]> wrote: >> One problem towers over all others, death. > Well, I suppose death results from imbalance between order and entropy. One problem we have that is close, is Recovering Information of the Minds of the Past. We plan to have a hierarchy of problems, to represent the connections. You're only completely dead, as opposed to mostly dead, when Information Theoretical Death is reached. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information-theoretic_death http://www.evidencebasedcryonics.org/tag/information-theoretic-death/ That's why I shelled out $80000 to have my brain frozen in liquid Nitrogen when I become mostly dead. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. 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