On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> "THE FPI" comes from nothing because in a world with FPI duplicating >> machines >> "THE FPI" does not exist. >> > > > > The FPI requires duplicating machines. > We haven't invented duplicating machines yet, does that mean FPI doesn't exist in our world? >> >> >> What the hell is the difference between "3-1 view" and "3 view"? > > > > > 3p view: the bodies of the H-guy is reconstituted in both places. > > 3-1 view: the bodies of the H-guy is reconstituted in both places and I > attribute a genuine first person experience to both > In other words the Helsinki man's " genuine first person experience " would be experienced by both . So "What one and only one experience will The Helsinki Man experience?" is not a question with a indeterminate answer, it's just an asinine question. > > The 1-1 view is just an expression emphasizing that it is not the 3-1 view. > > Then it's just a case of jargon inflation to impress the rubes, but I'm not a rube and I am not impressed. I had already figured out that if 1 view were the same as 3 view you wouldn't have given them different names. > > The 1-1-view is equivalent with a 1-view Then the best way to emphasize that is to never say 1-1-view again. >> >> At least with the Schrodinger Cat thought experiment when it's all over >> and the box is opened the state of the cat's health is known, > > > > > Which cat? > The only cat in the box that we can see in the observable universe, that cat. > > > We know all the time that the cat is all the time dead and alive, in the > 3-1 view, > Sorry, I've lost track of what the 3-1 view is, but I do know that in no view in the observable universe "the cat is all the time dead and alive". > > > Then the math confirms this up to now. > Math alone can't confirm anything, it can just tell us that certain results follow from certain assumptions. But you're assumptions are worse than wrong, they're gibberish. >> >> Even though Bruno conceded that "He" means "remember having been in >> Helsinki >> >> " John Clark is sure Bruno's response to this will be "not in the 1-p" >> forgetting that in a world that has 1-p duplicating machines there is no >> such thing as "THE 1-p". > > > > > Then you die, Maybe, that depends entirely on what the hell "he" means, and the meaning seems to shift even within a single sentence, but whatever the hell that god damned personal pronoun means what's important is that if at least one thing (and the more the merrier) tomorrow remembers being John Clark today then John Clark will live for at least another 24 hours. > > > If computationalism is correct, then there is a "the 1-p" at both places, > No there would be "a 1p" at both places, and that would be true even if computationalism was false. > > > "the 1p" is the one you will live with certainty > And the one " you " will live with certainty is "the 1p". And round and round we go. > > although you cannot know which one in advance. > Not only that, "you" cannot know which one even after the experiment is over because it's not a question, it's just words with a question mark at the end. > > > "Which one" makes no sense in the 3p view, but get already clear meaning > in the 3-1 view. > There is no such thing as THE 3-1 view. John K Clark > > > > > > > > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
