Re: musings on time

['cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

------ Original message------ From: Bruno Marchal Date: Mon, 7/25/2016 7:31 AM   On 25 Jul 2016, at 01:45, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: Hey it’s been a while… been following some discussions from time to time, lurking I guess…. without further ado this is what I am musing on – today at least --  in the form of a poem.   Time a Musing   Time, this tapestry upon which the stories of the universe are written. This weave, spun from dancing kaleidoscope threads Giving us our view of the world, but whose cloth, yet.. has always been. This chaotic wave of emerging reality sweeping all in the foamy curl of collapsing superposition. Fixing in time, becoming written, juxtaposed, interpolated, incorporated In the mind… reifying each moment just lived, (as it dawns on us) into our living stories, our edifices of memories, convictions, dreams, hopes and fears as well.   Each moment perceived an inner splash… with all the follow on repercussions! The private inner narrative of our minds -- that which we sense as being ourselves – itself emerges from this complex roiling sea of interactions Appearing within us out from the mist of this reified stream of perceived instants, clanging about in the chatty electric circus of the brain, engaging in a loud shouting match with what just happened. Out of this noise of introspection, argument and emergent consensus, events become sown into ourselves, becoming assumed and adopted through interaction with our inner prisms. Our voice, speaking the narrative of our mind’s inner reflections on life… on time… is itself like an afterglow. Each moment becoming the next, gone before the experience of the former has happened… we are propelled forward in time.   Time itself may not exist (maybe?), but the experience of time very much does. Perhaps… it is our introspective theater of and reflection on our experience that, in the end, is the meaning and purpose of time itself. Time… how the universe engages in thinking about itself.     Cheers… and be nice to each other… from time to time. Thank you Chris. Marvelous poem. It might use some implicitly physicalist formulations though but we can't comment a poem 'course:)   Thank you Bruno... it was an afternoon's musing :) I freely confess I have no certainty to know what underpins everything, whether it's on some level "turtles all the way down"... or instead, as I find more ethsetic, the quantum instability of nothing itself making everything probable!  Of course "time" and "experience of time" are very different. The first one is an "illusion" (in relativity theory, or GR), the second one can hardly be an illusion (a point of disagreement between me and ... salvia (!)).   I also find it exceedingly hard to imagine a meaningful existence without causality!    Could time be how we experience our subjective perspective's trajectory in a branching multiverse?  Assuming MWI.... each of us is a branching cause-effect path of quantum choices fixed in fuzzy moments... but all paths exist (in the massively branching multiverse) I feel as if time is like Hansel's pebbles (Hanse & Gretel) ... it serves to connect our experiential now with our reflective recollection of what we were and the where of how we got here.... without which we lose identity. Time is tightly coupled  and inseparable from causality. It emerges manifest from  perhaps  infinite loci of the infinite branching of everything... again assuming MWI. Is time, a cosmic accounting trick to entangle us all in the spider web of causality that is necessary and central to our emergent self-meaning?  A quick comment re your disagreement with Salvia... could Salvia be saying to you that time/causality are on some level training wheels? (Necessary for us, yet not necessarily fundamental to all being) - Chris  PS (that was a nice series, will check the utube link out as well)    BTW the "PBS Space Time" series is very good on the "illusion" of energy/mass, space and time). Even if physicalist by default too. For example: "When time breaks down" (and others): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GguAN1_JouQ Bruno   -Chris --  You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. 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