On 26 Jul 2016, at 19:59, '[email protected]' via Everything List
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From: Bruno Marchal
Date: Mon, 7/25/2016 7:31 AM
On 25 Jul 2016, at 01:45, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
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Hey it’s been a while… been following some discussions from time to
time, lurking I guess….
without further ado this is what I am musing on – today at least
-- in the form of a poem.
Time a Musing
Time, this tapestry upon which the stories of the universe are
written.
This weave, spun from dancing kaleidoscope threads
Giving us our view of the world, but whose cloth, yet.. has always
been.
This chaotic wave of emerging reality sweeping all in the foamy
curl of collapsing superposition.
Fixing in time, becoming written, juxtaposed, interpolated,
incorporated
In the mind… reifying each moment just lived, (as it dawns on us)
into our living stories, our edifices of memories, convictions,
dreams, hopes and fears as well.
Each moment perceived an inner splash… with all the follow on
repercussions!
The private inner narrative of our minds -- that which we sense as
being ourselves – itself emerges from this complex roiling sea of
interactions
Appearing within us out from the mist of this reified stream of
perceived instants, clanging about in the chatty electric circus of
the brain, engaging in a loud shouting match with what just happened.
Out of this noise of introspection, argument and emergent
consensus, events become sown into ourselves, becoming assumed and
adopted through interaction with our inner prisms.
Our voice, speaking the narrative of our mind’s inner reflections
on life… on time… is itself like an afterglow.
Each moment becoming the next, gone before the experience of the
former has happened… we are propelled forward in time.
Time itself may not exist (maybe?), but the experience of time very
much does.
Perhaps… it is our introspective theater of and reflection on our
experience that, in the end, is the meaning and purpose of time
itself.
Time… how the universe engages in thinking about itself.
Cheers… and be nice to each other… from time to time.
Thank you Chris. Marvelous poem. It might use some implicitly
physicalist formulations though but we can't comment a poem 'course:)
Thank you Bruno... it was an afternoon's musing :)
Like it happens in hot summer holyday :)
I freely confess I have no certainty to know what underpins
everything, whether it's on some level "turtles all the way down"...
or instead, as I find more ethsetic, the quantum instability of
nothing itself making everything probable!
Unfortunately, the "nothing" of QM assumes a lot of thing, if not the
whole of QM. Then, thanks to computationalism, we have some hope to
understand where the QM assumptions are originating themselves from
the elementary school math assumption.
Of course "time" and "experience of time" are very different. The
first one is an "illusion" (in relativity theory, or GR), the second
one can hardly be an illusion (a point of disagreement between me
and ... salvia (!)).
I also find it exceedingly hard to imagine a meaningful existence
without causality!
Without any causality? I can understand. Without physical causality, I
guess it might be due to 1500 years of pseudo-religious brainwashing.
We need some causality, but the implication relation in Turing-
complete theories is quite enough. Deducitive relation are in the
eyes' beholder.
Of course, this is the today's topics: physical causality emerges from
infinitely many simple arithmetical relations. We have to retrieve the
physical causality appearances from them (by UDA, say), and that is
not hard with computationalism, as computationalism shows the
existence of an intrinsic notion of causality already represented or
realized in arithmetic.
Apology for commenting a poem :)
Bruno
Could time be how we experience our subjective perspective's
trajectory in a branching multiverse?
Assuming MWI.... each of us is a branching cause-effect path of
quantum choices fixed in fuzzy moments... but all paths exist (in
the massively branching multiverse)
I feel as if time is like Hansel's pebbles (Hanse & Gretel) ... it
serves to connect our experiential now with our reflective
recollection of what we were and the where of how we got here....
without which we lose identity.
Time is tightly coupled and inseparable from causality. It emerges
manifest from perhaps infinite loci of the infinite branching of
everything... again assuming MWI.
Is time, a cosmic accounting trick to entangle us all in the spider
web of causality that is necessary and central to our emergent self-
meaning?
A quick comment re your disagreement with Salvia... could Salvia be
saying to you that time/causality are on some level training wheels?
(Necessary for us, yet not necessarily fundamental to all being)
- Chris
PS (that was a nice series, will check the utube link out as well)
BTW the "PBS Space Time" series is very good on the "illusion" of
energy/mass, space and time). Even if physicalist by default too.
For example: "When time breaks down" (and others):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GguAN1_JouQ
Bruno
-Chris
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