On 5/3/2017 12:31 PM, David Nyman wrote:
On 3 May 2017 8:11 p.m., "Brent Meeker" <meeke...@verizon.net
<mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:
On 5/3/2017 6:21 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Brent argues that AI will dissolve the hard question. I think that
people know intuitively that it will not. This is what pop-culture
works such as "Blade Runner" are about.
People knew intuitively that the Earth was flat, God was needed to
explain morality, and chemistry couldn't explain life. Ask
yourself this: You're designing a new Mars Rovers to explore Mars
for years and you want them to be able to learn and act
intelligently and to interact with one another. Do you
deliberately make it conscious?...if so, how? Might you make it
conscious inadvertently?...and what difference would it make?
Having formulated these questions, do you think modal logic will
answer them?
IMO the problem is already in the formulation. The way you've set it
up obviously leads to a conflation of consciousness and intelligent
behaviour.
No, I'm not conflating them. That's the point of the questions - are
they separable and what do you do about it. I think Bruno already
thinks they are not separable. Although it's known a "the hard
problem", realizing consciousness should, according to Bruno's theory,
be easy. It's why he thinks jumping spiders are conscious. I think so
too, but I don't think consciousness is a simple binary property, like
lobian or not.
But in my view the thing is incoherent unless expressed in a way that
is able to handle the first person view directly in something like its
own terms. And yes, modal logic may be able to give us at least an
inkling of how this might go, at least in its most basic form. But you
don't like where this idea leads it would seem, although perhaps you
will just say the case hasn't been made. Maybe I'm wrong, but even so
I can't help feeling that you're just out of sympathy with the whole idea.
I don't think sympathy for a theory is a scientific attitude. I have
sympathy for Bruno, who has apparently been treated unfairly by some in
academia - but none for his theory.
Brent
David
Brent
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