On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 10:33 PM, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > On 10/26/2017 12:51 PM, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > >> > >> Are you claiming, without evidence, that cannabis is cheaper and safer >> than all other pain killers? > > > I don't know about Bruno but I am claiming i > n the entire history of the world there is not > been > one confirmed case > of > death by marijuana > overdose, the same can not be said of aspirin. In addition > , > recent studies have found that after states in the USA legalized marijuana > overdose deaths > from opioids > DECREASED by 25%. > O > xycodone > used for chronic pain can kill you but > marijuana > can not, and it's only a unfortunate historical accident that alcohol is > socially acceptable but > cannabis is > not. > > > (1) There are a lot of other painkillers
Yes, I was alluding specifically to the current opiate crisis in the US, which appears to be fueled by drugs that are prescribed by doctors -- specifically Oxycodone, as John said, as well as Fentanyl. Two drugs that generate big bucks for the pharmaceutical companies as well as for the health insurance racket that you guys suffer under. There is now some evidence that people have been weening themselves off of prescribed opiates in Colorado. The number of deaths by opiate overdose decreases since cannabis was legalized. There are still confounding factors, so we can't draw strong conclusions, but the upshot in public health and safety is so big that this is definitely something to consider. > and (2) marijuana is not equally > effective as oxycodone Well, a machine gun is not as effective as a nuclear bomb... I have no doubt that oxycodone is the right choice for certain cases. I also have no doubt that it is being overprescribed for profit, otherwise how do you explain the current crisis? There are reports of doctors advising patients to stop using cannabis and switching to oxycodone. Patients that feel that cannabis is working well to manage their pain. This is immoral. Oxycodone is a very dangerous drug. It is highly addictive (unlike cannabis) and can kill you (unlike cannabis). There is overwhelming evidence for this. Don't take my word for it, check the research of the world-class experts, such as Dr. David Nutt -- who was sacked out of a government advisory position by the UK government because he was not willing to go along with the lies. > and (3) in many states and nations doctors can > prescribe marijuana just as they can other pain killers. Not so many nations, unfortunately. Even in the US, this is still being resisted at the federal level by lobbyists. Who do these lobbyists represent? Pharmaceutical companies. Don't you find this strange? Regarding price, it would be dirt cheap if not for prohibition/sin-taxes. It's a weed. It grows very easily. Orders of magnitude cheaper than pharmaceutical-grade opiates. > And I'm 100% in favor of legalizing marijuana and have been for decades - > not because I think it has any amazing medical powers, but because "the war > on (some) drugs" is a civil rights disaster, screwing up people's lives > right and left and distorting law enforcement (c.f. civil forefiture). Alright. That's the humane position to have. It can be a wonderful substance for certain people and certain conditions, as other substances can. Just please don't argue for lack of evidence in terms of safety. There is overwhelming evidence that it is much safer than many commonly used (and legal) drugs. Best, Telmo. > Brent > > > > By the way, I have never smoked a > marijuana > cigarette in my life, so far I've never had the need but if I ever get > cancer I would certainly start with a joint before I moved onto > O > xycodone > . > > http://www.newsweek.com/opioid-marijuana-legal-states-hospital-overdose-addiction-575385 > > > John K Clark > > > > > > > > >> >> Brent >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
