On 26 Oct 2017, at 20:43, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 10/26/2017 7:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 25 Oct 2017, at 21:15, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 10/25/2017 5:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I am not entirely sure of this. I think that in the long term,
the free-market can work, both for preserving resource and
happiness.
We might have a different feelings due to the fact that it does
not seem to have work with us, but the reason is that we don't
have a free-market, given that we have the prohibition laws. Even
at the start, Henri Ford, who made his 300 first Ford car in
Hemp, and using Hemp, defended the Hemp for building car by
saying that it is a renewable resource, and that it would not
perturb the current concentration of 0_2, C0_2. If the Market
would have been free, most people would have used Hemp (which was
the petrol before petrol) instead of petrol.
Nonsense. Hemp was grown for rope. It was never a fuel.
Rudolph Diesel and Henri Ford seems to have conceived and planned
to build their engine with hemp and vegetable source of oil.
Googling on I don't find real refutation of this. Of course they
did not succeed.
Henry Ford built a car whose body panels were made from plant
cellulose, mostly from soybeans but including 10% hemp. But it
was never shown to be economically viable or durable enough to
replace steel. Notice that when GM built plastic bodied cars, the
Corvette, Saturn, Fiero...they did not make the plastic from
soybeans or hemp and the cars have not aged well. The plastic
hardens and cracks.
Because they did not make bio-plastic indeed. To be sure, we don't
know the life-time of bio-plastic either, given that all such
project have been impeached by prohibition.
To sell something as toxic and disgusting as petrol, you *need*
to abolish the free market, which is what happened. After that
you do lose happiness, and you do destroy basically everything
quickly, hopefully in a reversible way.
Free-market is like evolution. It does not see anything in the
long term, but can still lead to building things which can see in
a longer and longer terms.
Bruno
I'm afraid you've become a crank on this point...as though
marijuana the basis and measure of world capitalism.
No, only a witnessing of the inexistence of capitalism or what we
call in Europe liberalism, that is simply the non-existence of a
free market.
How could we have a a free-market if we tolerate that a government
decide what can and cannot be consumed? That makes no sense at all.
Without legal market, you only create the criminal market, and this
can only augment the consumption, and the possible dangers, of the
product.
A legal market can be a regulated market.
Exactly.
A criminal market is by definition unregulated.
Exactly.
There is no inspection, no labeling requirements, no enforcement of
contracts, no penalty for fraud,...
Yes. It is rare that a street drug dealer advise you to respect a
posology. Nor will he ask for the identity cart if his patient/client/
victim ...
So you should be happy that marijuana is available in a criminal
market instead of a legal one where the government would interfere.
?
Prohibition is only that: to prevent the market to be controlled by
the actual need of the people. It benefits only to criminals, and
partially to their hostages.
Is that why the emperor tried to prohibit the opium trade in China?
He tried to protect his people from an act of war. Opium was free, and
not a problem, but has been abnormally and artificially propagated,
with politics interfering, not the need of the people. Opiates need
medical prescription, I would say.
A "drug" is only a medication which can become dangerous when
prohibited. Have you heard a street dealer telling his "client" to
respect the posology? Or asking for a medical prescription?
The vocation of a drug is to reduce the harm, but prohibition
entails the complete opposite. Even legal medication becomes
dangerous in time of prohibition, because the goal is no more to
cure and helps people, but to maximize benefits. Money, the
wonderful mean, is transformed into a senseless goal.
Then you should be happy to buy your medicines from the street
stalls in Thailand and Somolia.
I doubt it could be graver than here, but I have no clue what you
think about. I have not been in Thailand and Somalia.
I am a classical thinker. I think that once we tolerate one lie, we
quickly get many lies, if not all.
That's the kind ideological thinking that leads to totalitarianism -
every imperfection must be eliminated or nothing will work.
Only the lies, or known error, must be stopped, as soon as possible,
as they propagate.
The rigor of thought, and reason, are the best prevention against
totalitarianism.
This ask for modesty, and the acceptance that we are not perfect, but
this does not mean that we should perpetuate the lies and the errors,
that would be a license for the bad.
Bruno
Brent
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