On 26 Oct 2017, at 20:30, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 10/26/2017 6:05 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 9:15 PM, Brent Meeker
<meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
On 10/25/2017 5:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I am not entirely sure of this. I think that in the long term, the
free-market can work, both for preserving resource and happiness.
We might have a different feelings due to the fact that it does
not seem to
have work with us, but the reason is that we don't have a free-
market, given
that we have the prohibition laws. Even at the start, Henri Ford,
who made
his 300 first Ford car in Hemp, and using Hemp, defended the Hemp
for
building car by saying that it is a renewable resource, and that
it would
not perturb the current concentration of 0_2, C0_2. If the Market
would have
been free, most people would have used Hemp (which was the petrol
before
petrol) instead of petrol.
Nonsense. Hemp was grown for rope. It was never a fuel. Henry
Ford built
a car whose body panels were made from plant cellulose, mostly
from soybeans
but including 10% hemp. But it was never shown to be economically
viable or
durable enough to replace steel. Notice that when GM built
plastic bodied
cars, the Corvette, Saturn, Fiero...they did not make the plastic
from
soybeans or hemp and the cars have not aged well. The plastic
hardens and
cracks.
To sell something as toxic and disgusting as petrol, you *need* to
abolish
the free market, which is what happened. After that you do lose
happiness,
and you do destroy basically everything quickly, hopefully in a
reversible
way.
Free-market is like evolution. It does not see anything in the
long term,
but can still lead to building things which can see in a longer
and longer
terms.
Bruno
I'm afraid you've become a crank on this point...as though
marijuana the
basis and measure of world capitalism.
It seems reasonable to assume that the negative social impact of the
alcohol prohibition is not a fluke, but instead a natural consequence
of any prohibition.
Yes, an prohibition, in fact any action, has negative as well as
positive natural consequences. Did the British bringing free-market
opium trade to China have positive as well as negative
consequences...sure it did.
I personally am in favor of laws, but only laws which makes sense into
helping and protecting people, not laws enforced by special interest
of minorities.
The British bringing free-market opium trade was basically an act of
war. Opiates, which can be addictive for depressed or despair people
(or rat, like those alone in a small cage), should better be
prescribed medically, with some posology, I think.
It is also not a well-kept secret that there is collusion between
corporate interests and state actors to maintain prohibitions, and
that these reasons (already present in the times of Al Capone), have
little to do with a concern for public health. You need to go no
further than the current opioid crisis in the US. The corporate
interests promoting this terrible addiction are the same that lobby
for keeping the much safer and cheaper alternative illegal.
Are you claiming, without evidence, that cannabis is cheaper and
safer than all other pain killers?
There are tuns of evidence, in vivo, in vitro, personal, close
friends, and their friends, etc. In Belgium and France you can see an
abundance of pharma-shops. But most people using cannabis see their
medication budget dropping very quickly.
I have has sciatic many years ago (I think I told the list about
this). After 2/3 month of intense "legal" unsuccessful treatment, when
the doctor told me I need surgery, I tried cannabis. After three days,
I felt well, and after three weeks I was back at work. One case is not
a statistics, and cannabis has the same drawback than alcohol,
benzodiazepine and most long term muscular relaxant, which happens to
be bad for me, so I use it as a medication with strong moderation. But
you can also find thousand of wittnessing on Youtube.
The humans seem to know the medical, and industrial virtue of Hemp
since more than 5000 years.
Some medical people voted for the interdiction of marijuana, described
as a killer, without knowing it was hemp. The origin of prohibition
was a masquerade. A clever choice of bandits who understood that
prohibition can only work with a non dangerous product, because it
augment the consumption and the danger, as they understood with
alcohol prohibition.
Prohibition is born from the collusion of the racist anti-mexicans, +
the interest of the paper-wood industry, the petrol, (textile and
pharma) alcohol, tobacco, + the descendents of Al Capone and the
underground criminals.
The "Schedule One" notion does not make sense: to forbid research on
something because it would be dangerous. Why not forbid research in
guns, bombs, or car, plane train, I meant, except cannabis, what is
not dangerous?
Then the discovery that THC (cannabis main cannabinoid, the psycho-
tropic one) shrink cerebral rumor of mice was dismissed and stopped,
and remain largely ignored. It is a total inhuman shame!
How could we tolerate that a government has anything to say in matter
of using this or that medication? Or eating this or that food (unless
clear risk have been detected, like some disease).
Cannabis is much safer than many products that you can find in pharma-
shop or in the super-market.
It is a cheap efficacious safe pain killer (like salvia divinorum) and
also healer, and we know thanks to the work discovery of the endo-
cannabinoid system by Mechoulam (who discovered the THC too). It role
is in boosting up the whole immune system in case of molecular stress.
It appears already in the first animals without back-bones billiard
years ago. We would never have been able to leave the ocean without it
(I think that only primitive sea unvertebrates lack it).
Bruno
Brent
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