On 28 Nov 2017, at 01:28, David Nyman wrote:

https://www.sciencealert.com/your-consciousness-does-not-switch-off-during-a-dreamless-sleep-say-scientists





Wonderful! Thanks! It confirms Mechanism, both the one of Descartes and the "theology" of the machine. And the salvia plant!

I have always personally suspect this "experientially", noticing that the reason we "miss" it is that it very hard to memorize. It confirms the idea that non-consciousness is relative amnesia, less neurons makes you more conscious, the brain is something like a filter, nature is a product of contemplation (Plotinus!),...

Since 2008 I write in a diary all my salvia experiences, but also tobacco experience, occasional cannabis experience, occasional alcohol experiences, and the usual coffee experiences and actually any pertinent, for the consciousness study, experiences (as they all influences the outcomes). Since 2008, the first salvia experience, the mentions of the deep-sleep consciousness experiences has grown up systematically, and since some years they are mentionned almost every morning. It is very weird. I made once two "perpendicular sort-of- dreams", which brought my attention on relations between quantum logic and octonions, which I found also in a very interesting paper by John Baes. This plunges me back in my feeling that little numbers could quickly play a special role, like the number 24, and the exceptional simple groups, and relation between groups of permutations of solution of diophantine polynomials. We understand the metamathematical content of arithmetic through big numbers
(indeed Gödel represented "2+2=4", that is

"ffa+ffa=ffffa" , (with f, a, +, = equal to even numbers: f is 3, a is 5, + is 7, = is 9)

by

(2^f)(3^f)(5^a)(7^+)(11^f)(13^f)(17^a)(19^=)(23^f)(29^f)(31^f)(37^f) (39^a)

which is an astromical numbers. Today we use efficient coding, of course, which adds intensional and modal relations. But it could be that little numbers have already a rich and deep metamathematical content, arithmetic would understand itself more quickly than our apparent current detour through a quantum vacuum fluctuation going wrong make us to think...

Otto Rossler once summed up Descartes Mechanism with "consciousness is a prison". Mechanism seems a bit pernicious, as it predicts somehow that we might get the solution of the mind-body problem when we die, or "sleep" deep enough (cf Shakespeare), unfortunately we don't memorize, and our billions years of prejudices can strikes back in a second.

Very interesting (and relevant) studies!

Bruno




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