On 02 Dec 2017, at 04:55, Brent Meeker wrote:



On 12/1/2017 6:35 PM, David Nyman wrote:

I think it likely that ability in humans co-evolved with the development of language. Did you ever read Julian Jaynes "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind"?

You betcha! A paradigm shifter if ever I read one though it's many years since. It always struck me as perfectly plausible in general direction even if no particular detail of Jaynes's speculations were precisely accurate.

Yeah, I started it with the attitude, "That's an interesting idea but there couldn't possibly be any evidence to support it even if it's true." But when I finished it I thought, "Damn, he didn't prove his theory but he did pretty well supporting it."


I share this feeling. Jayne uses "consciousness" in a more particular sense than we usually use it here, though, it is more the high level reflective consciousness, and not the primitive one we share with most animals---and perhaps plants ... :)

Bruno


Brent


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