On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 2:31:48 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/9/2017 6:48 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 5:19:02 PM UTC-6, [email protected] > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 9:47:42 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>> When I took a series of classes in Artificial Intelliegence at UCLA in >>> the '70s the professor introducing the material of the first class >>> explained that, "Intelligence is whatever a computer can't do....yet." >>> >>> Brent >>> >> >> The fear of AI is that computers could eventually exhibit a >> characteristic reminiscent of "will" and exhibit it maliciously against >> humans. I suppose for you that's not a problem since, IIRC, you deny the >> existence of will. AG >> > > For a computer to be intelligent, and maybe even acquire some form of self > awareness, it must be able to re-script its data stack and even some of its > programming. The recent gains in AI have begun to push into this territory. > This would require some subtle work as this becomes more developed. The > system can't becomes trapped in self-referential loops, but it also may in > time require these be employed. A truncated form of self-reference, one > that diagonalizes a finite list, may permit a system to "pop out" of its > knowledge base. The system may then acquire unprovable truths in a > partially stochastic way. We obviously can't have systems that require an > infinite amount of information to perform Godelian trick, but we might be > able to approximate it. > > I suspect AI might learn how to become self aware by being interfaced with > human brains. > > > But note that humans are not self-aware in the sense you're > contemplating. They cannot consciously "re-script their data stack" or > programming. People are self-aware in that they have a model of themselves > in the world and in social relations. So one models oneself having > thoughts and other people having thoughts as part of ones model of the > world. > > Brent > > Learning is a case of rescripting a data stack. Dendrites that are pared back and built up in different ways are clearly a case of restructuring the computing system.
LC > 50 years from now I think much of humanity will have their brains > interlinked. This will mean that consciousness will no longer be a private > thing and that AI systems will acquire it as well. Where things go from > there is anyone's guess. Maybe the machines will steal our consciousness > and then discard us as useless. > > LC > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
