On 1/3/2018 6:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 01 Jan 2018, at 19:01, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>wrote:
https://www.sciencealert.com/your-consciousness-does-not-switch-off-during-a-dreamless-sleep-say-scientists
<https://www.sciencealert.com/your-consciousness-does-not-switch-off-during-a-dreamless-sleep-say-scientists>
>
Wonderful!
I found nothing wonderful in it,
I thought it was a rather silly article. Why should the movement of
somebody's eyeballs be better evidence for consciousness than the
movement of somebody's vocal cords that make a sound like "I was not
conscious"?
What is wonderful is that scientists get confirmation that we keep
some form of consciousness during the NON-REM sleep. Until recently,
it was taken as as "mainstream-admitted" that consciousness appears in
REM sleep and the awaken state but disappears in "deep or slow,
non-REM dreams". Descartes and many Mystics have claimed the contrary
... until that paper and research, which of course needs confirmation,
etc.
Thanks to Salvia divinorum reports (and personal), I can make full
sense of Descartes' assertion that we are conscious at all moment
during the whole night sleep. What happens is that we don't memorize
easily the content of those non-REM-sleep. It seems much more
difficult than the common REM-dreams, which are still hard to remember
for many people.
I don't know why it was even a question. It's common knowledge that you
can whisper a person's name to them and they'll wake up immediately,
whatever their stage of sleep. So the difference between REM and
non-REM sleep is not fundamental to awareness.
Brent
Note that the eye-ball movement concerned only the REM-dreams
(discovered by Jouvet). When we dream, we are awaken and paralysed,
according to Hobson theory of dream, except for the ocular muscles, so
that a lucid dreamer can use that to communicate their dreams and
experience in "real time" (with a 10/13 ratio difference though, in
the average). Then the EEG can show that when we sing or when we move
the arms during sleep, the same cerebral activity is trigged, same as
when we do that in the non-sleep state.
Bruno
John K Clark
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