On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 6:07:44 PM UTC-4, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > I am more interested in the graph theoretic issues with NP-completeness > for other reasons than I am in this question of uploading minds into > computers. The latter I think is largely science fiction. I am more > interested in questions of quantum information and the compatibility of > quantum mechanics and general relativity. > > My reasoning for not doing this is not about being "deader," but in terms > of money. To be honest this borders on sounding like a scam, and I can > imagine that con-men have concocted this scheme to part people from their > money. Sure it might be based on a bit of science and technology, but I > could easily see this as being some sort of scam. The cryonics movement has > produced nothing, but people continue to pay into it. >
*It might not be a scam; just extreme speculating. But what is, for sure, is hubris in evidence. AG* > > LC > > On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 11:16:03 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Lawrence Crowell < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> *> This further might connect with the whole idea of up-loading minds >>> into computers. Brains and their states are not just localized states but >>> networks, and it could well be that this is not tractable.* >> >> >> If the brain is a network it is a network with a finite number of >> vertices and a finite number of lines connecting those vertices. For >> uploading you’re not trying to optimize or do anything with the network >> except to just list all the lines and vertices in a network that already >> exists. You don’t need to find some exotic new algorithm that can solve NP >> complete problems in polynomial time to do that, you just need a few >> trillion nano-machines that can feel around inside a brain and report back >> on what they’ve discovered. And as I said before, even if a general class >> of problems has been proven to be difficult that just means some specific >> examples of it are, it doesn’t mean all or even most are and in fact some >> could be quite easy. In general factoring large numbers is hard and 2^1000 >> is huge but it would be remarkably easy to factor. >> >> There is another thing that confuses me, you seem to be implying nobody >> should engage in Cryonics unless it has been proven with mathematical >> certainty to work, and that doesn’t seem wise to me unless you know of a >> reason that being frozen will make >> me >> deader than being eaten by worms. >> >> *> As a general rule once these threads gets past 100 I tend not to post >>> any more. It becomes to annoying to find my way around them.* >> >> >> I can sympathize, I’ve been complaining about that for years, but the >> problem really isn’t 100 posts its that most people refuse to trim anything >> when they respond so you end up with a vast iterated sea of quotes of quote >> of quotes of quotes of quotes of quotes of quotes of quotes and its very >> hard to tell who said what. Its frustrating to scroll down through page >> after page of quotes only to be rewarded at the end with one cryptic new >> line like “that’s not true”. >> >> John K Clark >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
