> On 22 Apr 2018, at 23:23, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > > On 4/22/2018 7:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> That's confused. Values are not objective facts and nobody (including >>> militant atheists) thinks they are. Values, like loving your children, are >>> inherently subjective. >> Subjective does not mean it has no intrinsic values, > > That's my point. All values are subjective. They are all relative to > someone holding them.
That is the case for all belief, be it on matter, mind, people, number, etc. So let us put them on a table, and call them hypothesis or theories, and let us doing the tests. > >> like self-preservation and harmony with the neighbourhood. Everyone agrees >> on good and bad in most case. Everyone prefer to drink water to being boiled >> aliv > > Actually that's probably not true. We all know of people who have immolated > themselves. > > https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/20/david-buckel-lgbt-lawyer-self-immolation-new-york > > <https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/20/david-buckel-lgbt-lawyer-self-immolation-new-york> Yes, and there is country where hundreds of woman have immolated themselves, and those who survived and confirmed a speculation I did from mechanism: it feels not bad, when they burned, only when they re-try to survive at the hospital did the burns skin becomes extremely painful. But that hardly change the point. > > So whether some one prefers drinking water to being boiled alive probably > depends on the consequences of the alternatives. > > But I agree there is no sharp division between subjective and objective. > Even in physics 'facts' tend to boil down to what all informed persons agree > on. OK. With mechanism, we need not toagree more than what we get in primary school in math, then we can explain how the physical reality is a subjective plural number’s mind construction, in a verifiable way, and up to now it fits. This annoyed only the people dogmatic on (primitive) matter, which is weird given that I show that the (primitive) matter hypothesis to be testable (and well not favoured by the early testing (quantum mechanics). Bruno > > Brent > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
