> On 22 Apr 2018, at 23:23, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 4/22/2018 7:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> That's confused. Values are not objective facts and nobody (including >>> militant atheists) thinks they are. Values, like loving your children, are >>> inherently subjective. >> Subjective does not mean it has no intrinsic values, > > That's my point. All values are subjective. They are all relative to > someone holding them.
That is the case for all belief, be it on matter, mind, people, number, etc. So let us put them on a table, and call them hypothesis or theories, and let us doing the tests. > >> like self-preservation and harmony with the neighbourhood. Everyone agrees >> on good and bad in most case. Everyone prefer to drink water to being boiled >> aliv > > Actually that's probably not true. We all know of people who have immolated > themselves. > > https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/20/david-buckel-lgbt-lawyer-self-immolation-new-york > > <https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/20/david-buckel-lgbt-lawyer-self-immolation-new-york> Yes, and there is country where hundreds of woman have immolated themselves, and those who survived and confirmed a speculation I did from mechanism: it feels not bad, when they burned, only when they re-try to survive at the hospital did the burns skin becomes extremely painful. But that hardly change the point. > > So whether some one prefers drinking water to being boiled alive probably > depends on the consequences of the alternatives. > > But I agree there is no sharp division between subjective and objective. > Even in physics 'facts' tend to boil down to what all informed persons agree > on. OK. With mechanism, we need not toagree more than what we get in primary school in math, then we can explain how the physical reality is a subjective plural number’s mind construction, in a verifiable way, and up to now it fits. This annoyed only the people dogmatic on (primitive) matter, which is weird given that I show that the (primitive) matter hypothesis to be testable (and well not favoured by the early testing (quantum mechanics). Bruno > > Brent > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
