From: <agrayson2...@gmail.com <mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>>
On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 9:33:58 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
On 4/28/2018 9:39 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
> Is it a settled issue whether measurements in QM are strictly
> irreversible,
There are interactions that, if you did not arrange that they be
erased,
would constitute measurements. Whether you say they were
measurements
and then got erased or they are not measurments because they didn't
produce an irreversible record is a phlosophical or semantic
question.
> that is irreversible in principle, or just statistically
irreversible,
> that is, reversible but with infinitesimal probability? TIA,
The equations are all reversible so you might say they are reversible
with infinitesimal probability...but in most cases that reversal
would
mean catching and reversing photons that are already on their way
outbound beyond the orbit of the Moon.
Brent
Are there any measurements that can't be reversed regardless of the
fact that the equations of physics are time reversible? I could swear,
and I DO, that Bruce demonstrated such a case for spin 1/2 particles
measured by SG device. AG
I vaguely remember that from several years ago. As I recall, it was in
response to a claim by Vic that time reversibility of the equations
meant that if you measured the x-spin of a silver atom, the you could
reverse the result, say spin-up, and recover the initial state. That is
certainly impossible, since that does not take into account the phases
associated with the alternative result -- MWI is reversible only if you
reverse all the worlds.
Besides, decoherence means that measurement resulting in classical
pointer-state outcomes are not reversible, even in principle, because of
the loss of IR photons which are never recoverable. Time reversal
invariance of the equations does not necessarily mean that you can
actually reverse things in practice.
Bruce
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