On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 10:23 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> ** > *I know perfectly well what the personal pronoun “you” will mean, as its > meaning will not change.* > Of course it will change. Today "you" means the man who is currently experiencing H, tomorrow "you" means the man who is currently experiencing W and remembers experiencing H yesterday; and tomorrow "you" also means the man who is currently experiencing M and remembers experiencing H yesterday. And please don't rebut with your standard "from the 1p" rubber stamp reply unless it is made clear which "THE 1p" is being referred to. >> >> so which ONE is Mr. You?? > > > *> If I could answer that question, there would, of course, no be any > first person indeterminacy. * > If Bruno can not answer that question then Bruno has absolutely no business ever using the word "you" in any thought experiment and all the grand sounding term " first person indeterminacy " means is that gibberish questions have no answers. > > >>> >> >>> * One will say “oh, I am the H-guy having survived in W” and he is right* >> >> > >> >> I agree. >> >> So what is the probability the H-guy will see W? 100% >> > > *> No,* > No? So you think the H-guy will see W no question about it, but there is not a 100% chance the H-guy will see W . This is logic? > >* * > *because if that is the prediction made in Helsinki, as asked, it will be > refuted by the M-guy.* > What the M-guy says or doesn't say is irrelevant. If the W-guy is the H-guy and the W-guy sees W then that's the end of the story, the H guy will see W with absolute certainty. Yes the H-guy is no longer unique but that is to be expected because that's what "being copied" means. > > *We want the prediction be correct for both copies* > What you want is contradictory, its ridiculous! If they are dropped into different environments, like in different cities, then they can't have the same fate so no one prediction can be correct about what will happen to both of them; and that is all utterly predictable. So where is the indeterminacy? The only grand mystery in all this is what does the word "you" mean when Bruno asks "What one and only one city will YOU see after YOU step out of a YOU duplicating machine?" John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
