> On 4 Jun 2018, at 17:04, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 6:14 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > >>There is absolutely nothing unique about that silly personal diary of > yours and there is nothing unique about your memories either because because > YOU HAVE BEEN DUPLICATED and that is what the word "duplicated" means. > > > Sure, but as you say just above, you differentiate just after the > duplication, when opening the box > > Yes. > > > and it is because there is only once consciousness before the opening of > the door that just before the differentiation, > > Yes. > > > you cannot predict the unique experience that you will live after the > duplication. > > YOU can predict that seeing W will turn YOU into the W man and seeing M will > turn YOU into the M man. However YOU can not predict what unique experience > YOU will have if YOU is no longer unique,
But in Helsinki, as a computationalist, you know in advance that whatever you will live is a definite unique experience, of W or of M. You lost unicity in the 3p view, indeed, but as human survivor, you keep it, and feel to be only one of the two copies. In all diaries obtained, the results are either W and M. This can be predicted, and indeed is verified by the two copies, independently. Just take the 3p and 1p distinction into account, which is part of the question in that thought experience. Bruno > and not only is prediction impossible there is no way to know what that > personal pronoun should have meant even after the experiment is long over. > Therefore by examining "What unique experience will YOU have after “YOU" is > no longer unique?" we have an existence proof that not every string of ASCII > characters is a question even if it has a question mark at the end. > > >>>Tell me if you get this. > > >> I don't because there is nothing to get. > > > Either you fake this, > > Generally people pretend to understand scientific points when they really > don't, they don't understand them and pretend they don't. > > > and are just acting like a bullying > > Bullying? So much for being a professional logician. If you can't stand > the heat get out of the logical kitchen. > > > troll, > > I've been on this list almost as long as you have and I've been expressing > similar views elsewhere on the internet for well over 25 years. If I'm a > troll I should get a certificate from the Guinness book of world records > people as the world's longest living troll who spent more than a quarter of a > century expressing views he did not believe. > > > or you just eliminate the personal memories and experience of the > subject(s) involved. > I couldn't eliminate the personal memories and experiences of Mr. You even if > I wanted to because I don't know which one is Mr. YOU, and even Mr. YOU > doesn't know that. > > That contradicts you statement that each “you” obtained are accepted continuation of the “you” in Helsinki. And both of them know very well who they are from their first person point of view. One will say “oh, I am the H-guy having survived in W” and he is right (we assume Mechanism), and the other will say “oh, I am the H-guy having survived in M”, and he is right too. Both, when repeating the experience understand what is going on, and it is isomorphic as throwing a coin. Bruno > John K Clark > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
