On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 7:26:56 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 7/25/2018 11:54 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 25 Jul 2018, at 16:36, Jason Resch <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 10:47 PM, Brent Meeker <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> >> >> On 7/24/2018 7:02 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 7:47 PM, Brent Meeker <[email protected] >> <javascript:>> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 7/24/2018 7:12 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018, 10:44 PM Brent Meeker <[email protected] >>> <javascript:>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7/23/2018 8:40 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >>>> > Other mathematics might work, but this seems to be the absolute >>>> > simplest and with the least assumptions. It comes from pure >>>> > mathematical truth concerning integers. You don't need set theory, >>>> or >>>> > reals, or machines with infinite tapes. You just need a single >>>> > equation, which needs math no more advanced than whats taught in >>>> > elementary school. I can't imagine a TOE that could assume less. >>>> >>>> It might be interesting except that it executes all possible >>>> algorithms. Another instance of proving too much. >>>> >>>> Now if you would find the diophantine equations that compute this world >>>> and only this world that would be something. >>>> >>> >>> Well for you to have a valid doubt regarding the everything predicted to >>> exist by all computations, you would need to show why you expect each >>> individual being within that everything should also be able to see >>> everything. >>> >>> >>> So if I tell you everything described in every novel ever written really >>> happened, but on a different planets (many also called "Earth") you >>> couldn't doubt that unless you could show that you should have been able to >>> see all those novels play out. >>> >> >> If a theory predicts that everything exists, and also explains why you >> shouldn't expect to see everything even though everything exists, then you >> can't use your inability to see everything that exists as a criticism of >> the theory. >> >> >> However, I can use the incoherence of "everything exists" to reject it. >> > > You could, but Robinson arithmetic is fairly coherent, in my opinion. > > > Indeed. Robinso Arithmetic, or Shoenfinkel-Curry combinator theory proves > the existence of a quantum universal dovetailer. Of course that does not > solve the mind-body problem, we have still to extract it from > self-reference to distinguish qualia and quanta. > > > What does that have to do with "everything exists", which is not only > incoherent, but it is empirically false? There is this myth that > "everything exists" or "everything happens" is a consequence of quantum > mechanics and it therefore proved by physics. But quantum mechanics > predicts probability(x)=0 for many values of x, c.f. arXiv:0702121 > > Brent > > *I would rather call "everything happens" an illusion rather than a myth, and IMO it originates from the interpretation of the superposition that all components states, which generally have different probabilities, physically exist, or co-exist. This is what I have been arguing here for some time now, and feeling like a voice crying in the wilderness. Moreover, it is from this illusion that I trace the origin of the MWI. It is a subtle connecting of dots which has led otherwise sharp minds, to go astray. And your opinion is what? AG*
> > > If some people are interested, I can show how the two axioms Kxy = x and > Sxyz (+ few legality axioms and rules, but without classical logic (unlike > Robison arithmetic) gives a Turing complete theory. I have all this fresh > in my head because I have just finished a thorough course on this. > Combinators are also interesting to explain what is a computation and for > differentiating different sorts of computation, including already sort of > “physical computation”. Yet it would be treachery to use this directly. To > distinguish 3p and 1p, and 3-1 quanta with 1-p qualia, we need to extract > them from Löb’s formula, and use Löbian combinators. I will probably type a > summary here. > > Bruno > > > > > Jason > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <javascript:>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <javascript:>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
