On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 3:11:47 AM UTC, Jason wrote:
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> On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 6:44 PM, <[email protected] <javascript:>> 
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>> On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 11:23:49 PM UTC, [email protected] wrote:
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>>> On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 10:31:05 PM UTC, Jason wrote:
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>>>> Quantum computers represent a disproof of the conjecture that the wave 
>>>> function is merely a convenience or tool for estimating probabilities of 
>>>> experimental outcomes, rather than something that is real. The reason: it 
>>>> does things we cannot.
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>>>> Jason
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>>> Can you be specific? Why does quantum computing depend on both states of 
>>> a qubit(?) be occupied simultaneously? Can the system toggle between those 
>>> states, yet not be in both simultaneously? Couldn't quantum computing work, 
>>> or say be conceptualized with his model? TIA, AG
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>> IOW, is the model of superposition you use in quantum computing a 
>> necessary condition for its success, or could you use the information-only 
>> model of the superposition and get the same result. AG 
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> In order to explain the final result of the computation appearing in the 
> measured qubits, each of the intermediate states must have existed and 
> interacted,
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*What are the intermediate states? Isn't a qubit system a two-state system? 
AG *

> all the while remaining in a super position (completely isolated from the 
> environment that contains the quantum computer) for the duration of the 
> computation.  The computation might have been a very long one, and may have 
> involved vast numbers of states simultaneously held by the qubits during 
> the computation.  Each of these states is designed by the quantum 
> computation to interfere in such a way to that in most of the branches the 
> measured qubits will yield the same result.
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> We know we can prepare a quantum computation. We know we can measure the 
> qubits afterwards to get the final answer.
> The big question of "what is going on in the middle?" can only be answered 
> by resorting to asking what the theory can tell us of what the wave 
> function is doing to perform and implement the computation while we are not 
> measuring it.
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*Since when does QM tell us what is happening to a wf when the system it 
represents is not being measured? Are you referring to decoherence theory? 
AG *

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> If one denies the existence of the wave function 
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*I don't. AG *

> however, it leaves no room for talking about these intermediate states 
> that are necessary to explain how the final result of the computation ends 
> up in the qubits.
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> Jason
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