> On 1 Aug 2018, at 13:37, Bruce Kellett <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > From: Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be> >>> On 1 Aug 2018, at 06:11, Bruce Kellett <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au >>> <mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote: >> >>> the result for particle 2 depends on what was done to particle 1, even at >>> space-like separations. >> >> Absolutely. >> >>> Whether you call this an 'influence' or simple an 'effect of one >>> measurement on the other', makes little difference. >> >> I say that there is no space-separated instantaneous influence or effect. >> The non-locality, or Bell’s inequality violation just do no more reflect a >> physical action or influence, but a lack of knowledge about the initial >> spins, and indeed it is the same Alice and Bob distributed on all spins in >> all directions. >> >> >>> The point is that there is no information exchange in the normal Shannon >>> sense of information, so there is no possibility of transmitting a message >>> by this "influence”. >> >> That is true too. But there is no influence at all. >> >>> In particular, there is no physical FTL transfer, and special relativity is >>> not violated. >> >> Indeed, no action or transfer of anything are needed to explain the apparent >> non locality measurable in all branches. But with one world, there is still >> no information transfer, but there need to be an influence >> at a distance. Not so in the relative state theory (at least coming from >> Bell’s inequality violation). > > I guess you will never accept that this is simply not true. The relative > state (Everett) theory is exactly the same as the collapse theory in > requiring instantaneous space-like influences.
Only when people said that there is a splitting of the whole universe when we do a measurement, but as I said, it is only consciousness or first person experience which differentiates, and it can affect the body and the environment only at the speed of light. Instantaneity has virtually no meaning to me, since special relativity. Bruno > > Bruce > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
