On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:39 PM Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote:
> From: Jason Resch <[email protected]> > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:57 PM John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:11 PM, smitra <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>> * > A concept of "influence" without any information transfer is >>> ambiguous. The meaning of this "influence" will be dependent on the >>> particular interpretation used, it has no operational meaning. * >> >> >> Communicating is not the same as influencing, communicating means >> transferring Shannon style information and entanglement can't do that >> faster than light. But it will still let you influence things faster than >> light. Quantum entanglement can influence things faster than light but you >> need more than that to transmit information, you need a standard to measure >> that change against, and Quantum Mechanics can't provide that standard; all >> it can do is change one apparently random state to another apparently >> random state. >> >> You and I have quantum entangled coins, I'm on Earth and you're in the >> Andromeda Galaxy 2 million light years away. I flip my coin 100 times >> and record my sequences of heads and tails and then just one hour later you >> do the same thing. >> > > It doesn't work like that. You need to generate the coins at one location, > then bring them separately (at sub C speeds) from the location they were > created to Earth and Andromeda. It's because of this that FTL is not not > needed under QM to explain EPR. > > > Bell's theorem rules out this "common cause" explanation. Such an > explanation would be a local hidden variable account, and that is ruled > out. Claiming that Bell's theorem doesn't apply to many-worlds doesn't work > either. I think that any "common cause" explanation would have to contend > with the Kochen-Specker theorem -- which also rules out any such hidden > variables. > Do Kochen and Specker assume counterfactual definiteness? Bell did, which is why his theorem does not apply to many-worlds. Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
