On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:39 PM Bruce Kellett <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> From: Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:57 PM John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:11 PM, smitra <smi...@zonnet.nl> wrote: >> >> >>> * > A concept of "influence" without any information transfer is >>> ambiguous. The meaning of this "influence" will be dependent on the >>> particular interpretation used, it has no operational meaning. * >> >> >> Communicating is not the same as influencing, communicating means >> transferring Shannon style information and entanglement can't do that >> faster than light. But it will still let you influence things faster than >> light. Quantum entanglement can influence things faster than light but you >> need more than that to transmit information, you need a standard to measure >> that change against, and Quantum Mechanics can't provide that standard; all >> it can do is change one apparently random state to another apparently >> random state. >> >> You and I have quantum entangled coins, I'm on Earth and you're in the >> Andromeda Galaxy 2 million light years away. I flip my coin 100 times >> and record my sequences of heads and tails and then just one hour later you >> do the same thing. >> > > It doesn't work like that. You need to generate the coins at one location, > then bring them separately (at sub C speeds) from the location they were > created to Earth and Andromeda. It's because of this that FTL is not not > needed under QM to explain EPR. > > > Bell's theorem rules out this "common cause" explanation. Such an > explanation would be a local hidden variable account, and that is ruled > out. Claiming that Bell's theorem doesn't apply to many-worlds doesn't work > either. I think that any "common cause" explanation would have to contend > with the Kochen-Specker theorem -- which also rules out any such hidden > variables. > Do Kochen and Specker assume counterfactual definiteness? Bell did, which is why his theorem does not apply to many-worlds. Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
