> On 31 Jul 2018, at 03:39, Bruce Kellett <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > From: Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com <mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:57 PM John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com >> <mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:11 PM, smitra <smi...@zonnet.nl >> <mailto:smi...@zonnet.nl>> wrote: >> >> > A concept of "influence" without any information transfer is ambiguous. >> > The meaning of this "influence" will be dependent on the particular >> > interpretation used, it has no operational meaning. >> >> Communicating is not the same as influencing, communicating means >> transferring Shannon style information and entanglement can't do that faster >> than light. But it will still let you influence things faster than light. >> Quantum entanglement can influence things faster than light but you need >> more than that to transmit information, you need a standard to measure that >> change against, and Quantum Mechanics can't provide that standard; all it >> can do is change one apparently random state to another apparently random >> state. >> >> You and I have quantum entangled coins, I'm on Earth and you're in the >> Andromeda Galaxy 2 million light years away. I flip my coin 100 times and >> record my sequences of heads and tails and then just one hour later you do >> the same thing. >> >> It doesn't work like that. You need to generate the coins at one location, >> then bring them separately (at sub C speeds) from the >> location they were created to Earth and Andromeda. It's because of this >> that FTL is not not needed under QM to explain EPR. > > Bell's theorem rules out this "common cause" explanation. Such an explanation > would be a local hidden variable account, and that is ruled out. Claiming > that Bell's theorem doesn't apply to many-worlds doesn't work either. I think > that any "common cause" explanation would have to contend with the > Kochen-Specker theorem -- which also rules out any such hidden variables.
Bell, and Kochen-Specker rule out basically all hidden variable theory, or make them non local. But when we abandon the collapse, or any singularisation of a reality through measurement/interaction, I don’t see how such result would entai action at a distance. If you have references I am interested. Bruno > > Bruce > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
