> On 31 Jul 2018, at 03:39, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Jason Resch <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:57 PM John Clark <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:11 PM, smitra <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> > A concept of "influence" without any information transfer is ambiguous. >> > The meaning of this "influence" will be dependent on the particular >> > interpretation used, it has no operational meaning. >> >> Communicating is not the same as influencing, communicating means >> transferring Shannon style information and entanglement can't do that faster >> than light. But it will still let you influence things faster than light. >> Quantum entanglement can influence things faster than light but you need >> more than that to transmit information, you need a standard to measure that >> change against, and Quantum Mechanics can't provide that standard; all it >> can do is change one apparently random state to another apparently random >> state. >> >> You and I have quantum entangled coins, I'm on Earth and you're in the >> Andromeda Galaxy 2 million light years away. I flip my coin 100 times and >> record my sequences of heads and tails and then just one hour later you do >> the same thing. >> >> It doesn't work like that. You need to generate the coins at one location, >> then bring them separately (at sub C speeds) from the >> location they were created to Earth and Andromeda. It's because of this >> that FTL is not not needed under QM to explain EPR. > > Bell's theorem rules out this "common cause" explanation. Such an explanation > would be a local hidden variable account, and that is ruled out. Claiming > that Bell's theorem doesn't apply to many-worlds doesn't work either. I think > that any "common cause" explanation would have to contend with the > Kochen-Specker theorem -- which also rules out any such hidden variables.
Bell, and Kochen-Specker rule out basically all hidden variable theory, or make them non local. But when we abandon the collapse, or any singularisation of a reality through measurement/interaction, I don’t see how such result would entai action at a distance. If you have references I am interested. Bruno > > Bruce > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
