On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 7:39:40 PM UTC, [email protected] wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 11:49:04 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 15 Aug 2018, at 12:36, [email protected] wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 10:22:40 AM UTC, [email protected] >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 9:58:57 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> > On 14 Aug 2018, at 22:12, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On 8/14/2018 3:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>> >> How do you explain interference fringes in the two slits? How do you >>>> explain the different behaviour of u+d and a mixture of u and d. >>>> >> >>>> >> If the wave is not real, how doe it interfere even when we are not >>>> there? >>>> > >>>> > How does it interfere with itself unless it goes through both slits >>>> in the same world...thus being non-local. >>>> >>>> The wave is a trans-world notion. You should better see it as a wave of >>>> histories/worlds, than a wave in one world. I don’t think “one world” is >>>> well defined enough to make sense in both Everett and Mechanism. >>>> >>> >>> *If you start with the error tGhat all possible results of a measurement >>> must be realized, you can't avoid many worlds. Then, if you fall in love >>> with the implications of this error, you are firmly in woo-woo land with >>> the prime directive of bringing as many as possible into this illusion / >>> delusion. This is where we're at IMO. AG * >>> >> >> *Truthfully, I don't know why, when you do a slit experiment one particle >> at a time, the result is quantum interference. It might be because >> particles move as waves and each particle goes through both slits. In any >> event, I don't see the MWI is a solution to this problem. It just takes us >> down a deeper rabbit hole. AG* >> >> >> Everything is in the formalism, as well exemplified by the two slits. If >> you miss this, then consider the quantum algorithm by Shor. There, a >> “particle” is not just going through two slits, but participate in >> parallel, yet different computations, and we get an indirect evidence by >> the information we can extract from a quantum Fourier transform on all >> results obtained in the parallel branches. >> >> If you can explain all this without FTL in one unique physical reality, >> then write a paper and publish, you will be famous. >> > > *In the singlet non locality scenario, it does appear as if information > moves FTL, from one subsystem to another. However, when you consider that > what is instantaneously changing is the wf, which exists in the complex > plane, it is arguable that any kind of velocity is involved. AG * >
*Yes, maybe I should be famous. I think your confusion involves the meaning of FTL, or indeed any velocity when discussing a change in a wf in response to a measurement. As previously stated, the wf exists in the complex plane, so it's a fallacy to consider the wf changing at any velocity when it doesn't exist in the real plane (or real volume if using 3 dimensional space). AG* > > >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> Bruno >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> > Brent >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
