> On 19 Aug 2018, at 12:21, [email protected] wrote: > > > > On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 9:51:56 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 17 Aug 2018, at 19:34, [email protected] <javascript:> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 9:08:31 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 16 Aug 2018, at 22:37, [email protected] <> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 6:45:25 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 8/16/2018 3:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>> You seem to reintroduce implicitly some collapse in the picture. That’s my >>>> feeling, as this is not clear. When measuring a spin: there are two >>>> possible values *for all possible direction of the spin*. >>> >>> For all possible directions of the spin measurement. There is nothing >>> about Alice or Bob that makes all directions possible except in the >>> classical sense of "possible". >>> >>>> That makes infinitely many worlds. >>> >>> But you have elsewhere renounced the view that everything possible happens. >>> >>> He's affirming the error that's at the root of the MW nonsense; namely, >>> everything that's possible to happen, must happen. AG >> >> With *different* relative probabilities, given by the square of the >> amplitude, (in QM) and by the material mode in the theology of the machine. >> Yes, the physical “knowledge” is always purely statistical, in both QM and >> Mechanism. >> >> Do you understand English? Your reply is inapposite to my comment. AG > > “Affirming the error” is ambiguous. > > I just meant that your application or interpretation of QM assumes that every > outcome that is possible, must be realized, or measured, or observed. I don't > see any basis (reason) for making this assumption. If you have one, which can > be stated without appeal to arithmetic, I'd like to see it argued. AG
It is dictated by the wave equation (or Heisenberg Matrix). The worlds are (notably) the relative state defined by the branch of the superposition, and we cannot throw them away. That is so true that the founders of QM invented the notion of an observer collapsing the wave to select the outcome they saw, but that addition violates the SWE. That is reasonable FAPP, but it presupposes that the observer does NOT obey the SWE, and this introduce a dubious dualism (incompatible with Mechanism, among other absurdities, like FTL, etc.). Bruno > > Bruno > > > >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >>> >>> Brent >>> >>>> Same for an electronic orbital. There are as many world that the possible >>>> position of the electron in the orbitals. Are you OK with this? I try to >>>> figure out what is your interpretation of the SWE. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected] <>. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] <>. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list >>> <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> <javascript:>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list >> <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
