> On 3 Dec 2018, at 12:24, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 5:05:57 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > You assume a primary physical reality. I do not, and on the contrary show > that this idea is contradictory with the Mechanist theory. > > > > > Since Matter (a material computer) can compute Mechanism, I don't see how > Mechanism contradicts Materialism.
A material computer can emulate a computation supporting a person relatively to us, but with mechanism, a person cannot distinguish (without observing details) any computations leading to its local state, and so physics, and the appearance of matter can only be given by a statistics of all computation leading to that state, and structured by the ability of a machine to refer to itself. Read my papers, I explain all this, or tell me at which step of the 8th step you have problem with. > > One could of course "eliminate" Matter in an Idealist metaphysics, but one > can (more plausibly to many) eliminate Numbers. If you can understand the arithmetical definition of computation (Gödel, Church, Kleene), and if you are open to the digital mechanist thesis, then you can understand it will be easier to explain the appearances of the physical from the numbers, than to explain consciousness in term of material relation, and what those could be? But all what I have done is providing the way to test all this, and what we observe till now rather confirm mechanism, and not materialism. Bruno > > - pt > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
