On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 7:52:46 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 3:05 AM Philip Thrift <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > > > *What in matter is not simulatable in arithmetic is experience.* >> > > That's just a specific example of a more general concept, change. If you > have an experience you have changed, you're different than if you did not > have the experience. Matter can change, arithmetic can't. > > > *Matter has experientiality, not mere informationality. * >> > > I don't see the distinction, information describes a change in matter, an > experience needs a change and matter is the only known thing that can > change. > > *> This runs counter to most current consciousness science,* >> > > There is intelligence science but there is no such thing as consciousness > science, at least none that I've heard of. > > >> *> There are 3 or 4 consciousness science conferences in 2019.* >> > > And I would bet money not one of them will produced anything new about > consciousness, > although no doubt there will be 6.02*10^23 consciousness theories > presented, each one as good (or bad) as the other and all of them > untestable and impossible to falsify. > > >> > *A purely informational world could be emulated in arithmetic.* >> > > Arithmetic never changes in time or space so it can't emulate anything > without the help of something that can change, and that can only mean > matter. Anything with the capacity to change will do and that's why one > carbon atom is a good as another. > > John K Clark > >
When I wrote "What in matter is not *simulatable* in arithmetic is experience" I meant instead: What in matter is not *synthesizable* (or realizable) in arithmetic is experience. One can simulate a tornado in a supercomputer - at least partially - but the simulation doesn't rear apart the supercomputer it's running in. - https://news.wisc.edu/a-scientist-and-a-supercomputer-re-create-a-tornado/ (I translate "arithmetic" just to be the [fictional] Platonic computer of mathematics.) "Consciousness Science" is becoming more common. We'll see what happens. 21st International Conference on Machine Consciousness and Consciousness Science Paris, France May 16 - 17, 2019 26th international Conference on The Science of Consciousness 2019 Interlaken June 25-28, 2019 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwGRHbdjhH4 Center for Consciousness Science - https://consciousness.med.umich.edu - pt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
