That is what Black-Holes are in Newton physics, and they appear if any two masses are at distance 0 of each other. The *quantum* black hole are attempts by nature to survive God’s dividing number by zero! With Mechanism we have partial control. It is up to us to try not dividing by zero and multiplying by the infinite. But we can’t control all bugs (security) without losing Turing universality (liberty). Matter will remain apparent, but its semantic will differ, as it is a mix of contingent with what is observable for all universal number/machine/combinator/… With (indexical, digital) Mechanism, that is mainly the classical Church-Turing-Post-Kleene thesis, the physical reality is phi_i independent. It should imply the structure on which a measure one exist, may be like Turing universal groups (like the unitary groups). With mechanism, the origin of the physical laws is ia problem in mathematics, and partial solution already obtained compare well with the general data of contemporary physics. Major advantage: the Gödel-Löb-Solovay split of G and G* (the truth on “me” and what I can justify on “me”) allows to distinguish, in the observable, the justifiable and the non justifiable, but also the knowable and non knowable, the observable and the non observable, and this is used to distinguish the quanta and the qualia in the sensible realm. For the universal machine there is a rich corona in between the rational (justifiable) and the surrational (true but non provable) and the Lobian machine (those knowing that they are universal) are aware of that corona in the first person (non justifiable nor even describable) way. Bruno > > - pt > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to email@example.com > <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.