On Monday, December 17, 2018, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 7:06 PM Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 1:50 AM Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 5:59 PM Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> What I am curious to know is how how many of these statements you agree >>>> with: >>>> >>>> "2+2 = 4" was true: >>>> 1. Before I was born >>>> 2. Before humans formalized axioms and found a proof of it >>>> 3. Before there were humans >>>> 4. Before there was any conscious life in this universe >>>> 5. As soon as there were 4 physical things to count >>>> 6. Before the big bang / before there were 4 physical things >>>> >>> >>> "2+2=4" is a tautology, true because of the meanings of the terms >>> involved. So its truth is not independent of the formulation of the >>> question and the definition of the terms involved. >>> >> >> So would you say it was false before it was asked and the terms defined? >> > > The true/false dichotomy is not applicable to undefined terms. As in QM, > "Unperformed experiments have no results!" > > >> Was the 10^100th bit of Pi set only at such time that Pi was defined, or >> did it have a set value before humans defined Pi? >> > > Before pi was defined, the question had no meaning. > > But was it not in a certain sense inevitable that we would get "3" as the first digit? Jason > Bruce > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
