On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 3:04:07 AM UTC, Bruce wrote:
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> On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 1:17 PM John Clark <johnk...@gmail.com 
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>> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 6:46 AM <agrays...@gmail.com <javascript:>> 
>> wrote:
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>> *> If the temperature was non uniform when the BB occurred, if it 
>>> occurred, why would a sudden increase in its volume, aka inflation, erase 
>>> or wash out those non uniformities?*
>>>
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>> Regardless of how non-uniform the entire early universe may have been if 
>> you kept looking at smaller and smaller volumes you'd eventually find a 
>> size where thing were pretty uniform.
>>
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> On what do you bas that assumption? Penrose makes the point that there is 
> no reason to suppose that the initial state is not fractal -- grossly 
> unsmooth on any scale, right down to the smallest!
>  
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>> If inflation theory is correct that small nearly uniform part of the 
>> universe started to expand exponentially; that is to say it had a fixed 
>> doubling time, every 10^-37 seconds the diameter of that small part of the 
>> universe doubled, and in 10^-35 seconds it doubled a hundred times and 
>> became our observable universe. It has continued to expand to this day but 
>> at a much much more leisurely rate.
>>
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> It has been pointed out many times that inflation is a model in search of 
> a problem to solve. Monopoles and flatness are not really problems, and 
> inflation does not solve the smoothness problem - vide above.
>

*I've haven't resolved how inflation solves the smoothness problem (as many 
claim) -- maybe it can't and thus is the cause of my puzzlement -- but 
isn't the flatness problem a real problem that IS explained by inflation? 
If not, why? AG *

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> Bruce
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>>> > *OTOH, if the initial temperature were uniform, would that obviate 
>>> the need for inflation, or would non uniformities tend to become manifest 
>>> were it not for inflation?*
>>>
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>> Without inflation its very hard to understand how the temperature could 
>> be uniform because there wasn't enough time for the temperature to 
>> equalize, the distance parts of the universe were neven is causal comtact 
>> and yet they are at the same temperature to one part in 100,000. 
>>
>> John K Clark
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