Le mer. 24 avr. 2019 à 09:03, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < [email protected]> a écrit :
> For this you don't even need idealism. You can just take the brain as a > black box ready to receive the proper input in order to generate the proper > qualia. You will most likely not detect infrared light and others, simply > because the black box is not made to detect them. > > And there is another thing here: we are not detecting "air movement" or > "electromagnetic oscillation", since this is not what qualia do. Qualia are > all about meaning, we detect meaning. And that meaning serves evolutionary > purposes. I talk about this in the first chapter of my book, where I do an > analysis of sounds and colors and show how they are meaning, not something > related to any "electromagnetic spectrum". The reason is simple: if they > were related to "electromagnetic spectrum", then if you were to not know > the order of the colors in the rainbow, then if I were to give you the > colors, you would know to put them in order by frequency. But since you > cannot do that, colors are not about "electromagnetic spectrum", but are > about survival criteria, like red and green for finding fruits in trees and > yellow and blue for finding the sun in the sky, etc. > Hi, All of which do not exists... why would consciousness need anything like that as things like fruits, trees, electrons do not exists according to you ? Also why do you use evolution ? why do things need to evolve at all ? Quentin > > On Tuesday, 23 April 2019 22:19:32 UTC+3, Terren Suydam wrote: >> >> >> Some people who were born deaf have been given cochlear implants, which >> give them the ability to hear for the first time >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ6vSn7PaPI>. For them, this is new >> qualia they've never experienced. But it's only possible because of a >> technical device interfacing with their living nervous system. >> >> How does your theory account for this, when brains, and cochlear >> implants, don't really exist? When qualia cannot be understood in terms of >> neurology? When purely technical devices don't contain that special >> something that only conscious beings have? >> >> What can you say about "systems of consciousnesses" that would help >> explain how a given person could suddenly be gifted with entirely new >> qualia? What would prevent us from gaining access to all sorts of new >> qualia, by inventing neural prosthetics for detecting infrared light, >> ultrasonic frequencies, the earth's magnetosphere, and so on? >> >> Terren >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
